[Hidden-tech] Hidden-discuss Digest, Vol 184, Issue 7
explodingbee .
explodingbee at gmail.com
Mon Feb 24 21:17:06 UTC 2020
Hi Rich,
Thank you for your response.
First off, the instructions for hidden-tech say to edit the subject line
when responding so that it is descriptive of what I am going to write. But
I don't know how to do that after I click reply; unless I start a new
thread. Actually, as I am typing now I don't even see the subject line.
If someone wants to explain how to do that I will do so in the future.
Rich, I looked at the Drobo website and they do have a unit for $350. I am
trying to keep costs down but am willing to pay what I have to within
reason to get this done properly. The QNAP unit I included a link to sells
for $164. As I started reading on the drobo website it just seems like
there is a whole world of external drive systems with many concepts that I
am not familiar with. I do understand what you are saying when you say that
it might be better to use more smaller drives rather than fewer larger
drives. I had not previously thought about that. (Maybe I should get a
four or five bay unit instead of a two bay unit, and get four 5tb drives or
five 4tb drives instead of two 10tb drives. On the other hand, though, I
would think that the more drives one has the more likely that one will go
bad on any given day.) They are out of stock of the Drobo 5c on the
manufacturer's website but I do see some similar models on ebay.
(You say you have 42 tb of data? Wow. I thought I had a lot of data. Not
compared to you. What are you doing with all that data?)
Bottom line: I am not sure what type of unit to get.
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
Vincent
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> 1. Re: How to remain connected when traveling to Europe
> (James Triplett)
> 2. Trademark advice (Michael Muller)
> 3. deleting Mac OS Photos librarydeleting Mac OS Photos library
> (Stacy Kontrabecki)
> 4. Re: deleting Mac OS Photos librarydeleting Mac OS Photos
> library (Rich at OTN)
> 5. Re: Trademark advice (Karl Hakkarainen)
> 6. Re: Trademark advice (Michael Muller)
> 7. external hard drive system (explodingbee .)
> 8. Re: external hard drive system (Rich at OTN)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 12:43:10 -0500
> From: James Triplett <jm-hiddentech at vj8.net>
> To: Jeremy Wise <jeremywise at readingsuccesslab.com>
> Cc: 'Rich Roth' <webmaster at hidden-tech.net>, 'Hidden-Tech Tech'
> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] How to remain connected when traveling to
> Europe
> Message-ID: <20180306174310.GA30377 at bermuda.datamat.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> On (04/03/18 18:12), Jeremy Wise wrote:
> > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:12:21 -0500
> > From: Jeremy Wise <jeremywise at readingsuccesslab.com>
> > To: 'Rich Roth' <webmaster at hidden-tech.net>, 'Hidden-Tech Tech'
> > <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] How to remain connected when traveling to
> Europe
> > Reply-To: jeremywise at readingsuccesslab.com
> >
> > Thanks to everyone for their helpful suggestions!
> >
> >
> >
> > I use Verizon Wireless and they have a plan similar to what people have
> > described for ATT, T-Moble etc, tho getting that info wasn't easy.
>
> Aha! That's an important distinction. Besides the pricing and plan
> issues,
> there's a technical issue. Most of the plans mentioned in this thread
> are on carriers that use the GSM cellular system, which is ubiquitous in
> Europe.
> Verizon uses the CDMA cellular system, which is primarily available only
> in the
> US. In the popular tourist spots of Europe (London, Amsterdam, Berlin),
> some CDMA systems have been installed- so there is some access for
> a roaming Verizon phone, but it won't be as complete coverage as GSM.
>
> In the US, there are 4 carriers and 2 systems:
> AT&T GSM
> T-Mobile GSM
> Sprint CDMA
> Verison CDMA
>
> In Europe (and Asia except for Japan), all the different carriers use the
> GSM underlying system.
>
> And we're just talking about talking. The whole area of data services-
> 2G, 3G, 4G, 4G-LTE, etc, etc, gets even more twisted.
>
> So whatever plan you choose, ask carefully about the coverage map
> and what data services are included.
>
> Good luck!
> James
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Many thanks, Jeremy Wise
> >
> >
> >
> > From: hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net
> > [mailto:hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net] On Behalf Of Rich
> Roth
> > Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 6:05 PM
> > To: jeremywise at readingsuccesslab.com; Hidden-Tech Tech
> > <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] How to remain connected when traveling to
> Europe
> >
> >
> >
> > We've done a fair bit of traveling in the last few years.
> >
> > Our phones are on t-mobile and we just have to activate international
> > service, no extra charge on our plan.
> >
> > For ipads, we use AT&T and they have a monthly international service on
> the
> > pay as you go option,
> > I think it was $30/month -- although warning their north america is
> really
> > USA - does NOT include Canada, no idea about Mexico.
> >
> > As for as hotel access, now a days, most hotels everywhere provide free
> or
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 09:48:50 -0500
> From: Michael Muller <tech at montaguewebworks.com>
> To: Hidden-Tech Tech <Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> Subject: [Hidden-tech] Trademark advice
> Message-ID:
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> Hey all,
>
> I'm looking to see if I can use the term "soapbox derby" for some
> upcoming events, and am a little confused by my search results.
>
> Using the US Patent and Trademark Office website, I find no results for
> that exact phrase:
>
> * http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=4807:ntmvtq.1.1
>
> But on another USPTO page, I do find a hit:
>
> *
> https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=87034942&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch
>
> And, using other websites, I find all kinds of hits and misses:
>
> * https://www.trademarkengine.com/free-trademark-search/trademark-search
> *
> https://app.trademarknow.com/free-trademark-search?q=registry%3A%60us%60%20registry%3A%60eu%60%20mark%3A%60soapbox%20derby%60
> * https://www.corpnet.com/trademarks/free-search/
>
> What's the best way to make sure, and what's your experience with
> searching and filing trademarks?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mik
>
>
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> From: Stacy Kontrabecki <stacy at swampdancer.com>
> To: Hidden Tech <Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> Subject: [Hidden-tech] deleting Mac OS Photos librarydeleting Mac OS
> Photos library
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> I download all of my photos to the Pictures directory on my Mac with OS
> Sierra installed. I do not manage my photos using the Photos app but opened
> it once to see if I might like to. I'm thinking it may have
> duplicated/imported several years of files when I did this? Today's
> notification that my hard drive is full prompted me to open Photos again to
> see what I can see. The Importing preference to copy items to the Photos
> library is off, but maybe I did that when I got my first notification that
> the hard drive is filling up. Photos Library in the Pictures directory is
> 118 GB. How do I get rid of this without screwing things up? (Yes I have
> external drive backup.)
>
> I can't even send a message from my local email client, write a Word
> document, do anything!
>
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> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 18:04:00 -0500
> From: "Rich at OTN" <rich at on-the-net.com>
> To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] deleting Mac OS Photos librarydeleting Mac
> OS Photos library
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> 1) Make sure auto-backups is off, it creates backup images every
> hr/day/week
> And then remove the snapshots.
>
> 2) If you are not using photo or iPhoto - and have backed up all your
> images, delete that directory or at least the older ones.
> They are often in directories in some way -- a Mac of ours has had
> similar issues - there are directories within the Pictures directory
> you can delete - be sure to delete without using trash
>
> plenty online about how to do both of these.
>
> There are other here who I'm sure will chime in also
>
> Rich
>
> On 2/23/2020 2:23 PM, Stacy Kontrabecki via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> > I download all of my photos to the Pictures directory on my Mac with
> > OS Sierra installed. I do not manage my photos using the Photos app
> > but opened it once to see if I might like to. I'm thinking it may have
> > duplicated/imported several years of files when I did this? Today's
> > notification that my hard drive is full prompted me to open Photos
> > again to see what I can see. The Importing preference to copy items to
> > the Photos library is off, but maybe I did that when I got my first
> > notification that the hard drive is filling up. Photos Library in the
> > Pictures directory is 118 GB. How do I get rid of this without
> > screwing things up? (Yes I have external drive backup.)
> >
> > I can't even send a message from my local email client, write a Word
> > document, do anything!
> >
> > Stacy
> >
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> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 09:06:19 -0500
> From: Karl Hakkarainen <kh at queenlake.com>
> To: Michael Muller <tech at montaguewebworks.com>
> Cc: Hidden-Tech Tech <Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Trademark advice
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> The difference is that the trademark applies to "Soap Box" Derby. Because
> trademarks applications apply to exact words and marks, the space does
> matter.
> That said, one of the things that gets IP lawyers involved is when there is
> likelihood of confusion between trademarks. Using the phrase "Soapbox
> Derby" could make a reasonable person believe that the derby is affiliated
> with the "Soap Box Derby," a mark owned by International Soap Box Derby,
> Inc.
> This is a pretty good summary of the "likelihood of confusion" issue:
> https://ipmetrics.net/likelihoodofconfusion.html
> Again, I am not a lawyer, but I would avoid using Soapbox Derby in an
> event. The risk is small, but the impact could be big.
> ./kh
>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:28 AM Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I'm looking to see if I can use the term "soapbox derby" for some
> upcoming
> > events, and am a little confused by my search results.
> >
> > Using the US Patent and Trademark Office website, I find no results for
> > that exact phrase:
> >
> > - http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=4807:ntmvtq.1.1
> >
> > But on another USPTO page, I do find a hit:
> >
> > -
> >
> https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=87034942&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch
> >
> > And, using other websites, I find all kinds of hits and misses:
> >
> > -
> >
> https://www.trademarkengine.com/free-trademark-search/trademark-search
> > -
> >
> https://app.trademarknow.com/free-trademark-search?q=registry%3A%60us%60%20registry%3A%60eu%60%20mark%3A%60soapbox%20derby%60
> > - https://www.corpnet.com/trademarks/free-search/
> >
> > What's the best way to make sure, and what's your experience with
> > searching and filing trademarks?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mik
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mik Muller, president
> > Montague WebWorks
> > 413-320-5336http://MontagueWebWorks.com
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> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 09:32:11 -0500
> From: Michael Muller <tech at montaguewebworks.com>
> To: Karl Hakkarainen <kh at queenlake.com>
> Cc: Hidden-Tech Tech <Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Trademark advice
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> Yeah. I think we're going to go with "Soapbox Races" for now. Seems
> safer, though I'd rather use something like "DIY Cart Derby" or anything
> simple that could catch on. I think the "Derby" part is more important.
> You already have the following derbies, so another type of derby makes
> sense...
>
> * Soap Box Derby
> * Pin Box Derby
> * Kentucky Derby
>
> And "DIY Cart" really is what the event is about.
>
> Maybe "Maker's Cart Derby"
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mik
>
>
> ---
> Mik Muller, president
> Montague WebWorks
> 239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
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> On 2/24/2020 9:06 AM, Karl Hakkarainen wrote:
> > The difference is that the trademark applies to "Soap Box" Derby.
> > Because trademarks applications apply to exact words and marks, the
> > space does matter.
> > That said, one of the things that gets IP lawyers involved is when
> > there is likelihood of confusion between?trademarks. Using the
> > phrase?"Soapbox Derby" could make a reasonable person believe that the
> > derby is affiliated with the "Soap Box Derby," a mark owned
> > by?International Soap Box Derby, Inc.
> > This is a pretty good summary of the "likelihood of confusion" issue:
> > https://ipmetrics.net/likelihoodofconfusion.html
> > Again, I am not a lawyer, but I would avoid using Soapbox Derby in an
> > event. The risk is small, but the impact could be big.
> > ./kh
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:28 AM Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss
> > <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> > <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I'm looking to see if I can use the term "soapbox derby" for some
> > upcoming events, and am a little confused by my search results.
> >
> > Using the US Patent and Trademark Office website, I find no
> > results for that exact phrase:
> >
> > *
> http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=4807:ntmvtq.1.1
> >
> > But on another USPTO page, I do find a hit:
> >
> > *
> https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=87034942&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch
> >
> > And, using other websites, I find all kinds of hits and misses:
> >
> > *
> https://www.trademarkengine.com/free-trademark-search/trademark-search
> > *
> https://app.trademarknow.com/free-trademark-search?q=registry%3A%60us%60%20registry%3A%60eu%60%20mark%3A%60soapbox%20derby%60
> > * https://www.corpnet.com/trademarks/free-search/
> >
> > What's the best way to make sure, and what's your experience with
> > searching and filing trademarks?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mik
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mik Muller, president
> > Montague WebWorks
> > 413-320-5336
> > http://MontagueWebWorks.com
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> From: "explodingbee ." <explodingbee at gmail.com>
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> Hi folks,
>
> I want to purchase and set up a 10tb RAID1 external hard drive system. (So
> that would be two 10tb hard drives mirroring each other.) Someone
> suggested that I get a QNAP Tr-002 system (example:
>
> https://www.newegg.com/qnap-tr-002-us/p/N82E16822099076?Description=qnap%20tr-002&cm_re=qnap_tr-002-_-22-099-076-_-Product&quicklink=true
> ).
> Does anyone know if that is a good system? It is less expensive to get two
> independent single 10tb external hard drives and use a mirroring function
> available as part of Windows 10 to mirror the two drives but someone
> advised me not to trust Windows 10 to do that. Also, I was thinking of
> getting SAS drives instead of NAS drives, but that is apparently a
> different types of system and I don't know much about that. Any thoughts
> on these things? Also, if I do get NAS drives, which ones are best?
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -Vincent
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> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 13:36:14 -0500
> From: "Rich at OTN" <rich at on-the-net.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] external hard drive system
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> Personally I've picked bigger units (# of drives) and this is a more
> complex Q, whose ?
> I like Drobo,? while it is less standard technology, they allow adding
> drives (or replacing) as you go, of different sizes (usually getting
> bigger)
> and can even add another layer of duplication depending on number of
> drives.
>
> Bottom line, the bigger the drive, the worse the cost ($ and data) of
> loss potential.
> Since you didn't put a price on it or any sense of your in-house
> technology) - it's hard to advise more.
> Going beyond simple mirroring is usually worth the cost.
>
> Given that we have a number of personal computers and even local web/db
> servers used for projects.
> I much prefer NAS - that way you have much more flexibility and are not
> tied to a specific computer,
> THAT will crap out a some point -- using only Windows mirror I would
> totally avoid.
>
> Note: NAS drives is a reliability measure -- true NAS drives are for
> using in regular operations vs lower level drives that are mainly for
> backup and a good NAS unit will even turn the drives off when not used
> for some time period.
>
> Where as NAS device means it's on a local network - with if you have any
> connection and wifi you (probably) have even if you don't know it.
>
> Here is a good graph given by the Drobo people:
> https://www.drobo.com/storage-products/choose-drive/
>
> If you go with a higher end system, it's worth getting the extended
> service - after all this is about saving your data,
> for an extended time.
>
> Rich
> BTW - I have about 42 Tb on 2 drobo units.
>
> On 2/24/2020 12:35 PM, explodingbee . via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I want to purchase and set up a 10tb RAID1 external hard drive
> > system.? (So that would be two 10tb hard drives mirroring each
> > other.)? Someone suggested that I get a QNAP Tr-002 system (example:
> >
> https://www.newegg.com/qnap-tr-002-us/p/N82E16822099076?Description=qnap%20tr-002&cm_re=qnap_tr-002-_-22-099-076-_-Product&quicklink=true).
>
> > Does anyone know if that is a good system?? It is less expensive to
> > get two independent single 10tb external hard drives and use a
> > mirroring function available as part of Windows 10 to mirror the two
> > drives but someone advised me not to trust Windows 10 to do that.?
> > Also, I was thinking of getting SAS drives instead of NAS drives, but
> > that is apparently a different types of system and I don't know much
> > about that.? Any thoughts on these things?? Also, if I do get NAS
> > drives, which ones are best?? Thanks in advance.
> >
> > -Vincent
> >
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