[Hidden-tech] The Other Job Fair
Aaron E-J
the at otherrealm.org
Fri Sep 27 22:51:47 UTC 2019
Oh, this text is just some very preliminary thoughts.I agree that 'job
fair' is not the best name for it - if anyone has a better name, I'm all
ears.
I wouldn't use 'holon' in public text without any reference.The reason I
used it in this email is because I added a link to more information and
I really like the concept. In retrospect, also because using one or two
obscure terms that have a lot of relevance to the topic on hand makes
people more engaged in the topic because not knowing something irks you
and makes you need to find out more (didn't really think about that
aspect of things at the time, but I think it is often the case, at least
for the literarily inclined).
I totally agree that using negative condonation is not productive (hence
why our government is in total stand still).That is actually the whole
point of the project – to get rid of resentment and be more
productive.It is really hard to not do it though, and I guess in this
context I was trying to lay out the case that no one is at fault, it is
the system that is the problem.
I have been a strong proponent of the worker coop model for a long time
and am a River Valley and Common Share food coop member (I actually
served on the board of Common Share Coop a number of years back when it
was still Amherst Community Coop).
Aaron E-J
The Other Realm LLC
http://otherrealm.org
http://theotherrealm.org (Blog)
On 2019-09-27 6:50 AM, Christine Dutton wrote:
> Interesting proposal! I recommend some language adjustments to the
> proposal. :
> (a) An alternative term to the term "job fair"
> (b) An alternative to the term "holon" that is more commonly used
> (c) Changes to this language to form more positive language: "It can
> often result in needing to compromise your moral principles and spend
> most of your time doing things in areas you are not passionate about.
> Constantly needing to be judged and being told that you are not as
> good as someone else who got the job you wanted, puts a tremendous
> toll on your wellbeing and desire to interact with others.On the other
> side, someone looking to hire the right person has to spend a
> considerable amount of time wading through tons of applicants before
> eventually arriving at someone you actually want to hire.And if you
> have an ounce of empathy, constantly needing to turn people down
> because they are not the right fit feels horrible."
>
> Also, there is a lot of knowledge to gain from talking to
> professionals in the worker cooperative and grocery cooperative
> industries. There is vast amounts of knowledge through some
> organizations and consultants associated with these industries.
>
> Regards, An HR & Marketing Consultant
> *Christine Dutton*
> *Dutton Consulting *
> *413-626-6377*
> *
> *
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:38 PM Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss
> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:
>
> This discussion of the need to work for less than a fair wage got
> me thinking of an idea I had a while back. The idea is a kind of
> 'jobs fair' that would be open to anyone, and anyone who attended
> would be either guaranteed a job or funding for a startup.The
> amount of time that people spend competing for: first a college
> degree, then a job, then maybe funding for a business idea, is
> enormous.It can often result in needing to compromise your moral
> principles and spend most of your time doing things in areas you
> are not passionate about. Constantly needing to be judged and
> being told that you are not as good as someone else who got the
> job you wanted, puts a tremendous toll on your wellbeing and
> desire to interact with others.On the other side, someone looking
> to hire the right person has to spend a considerable amount of
> time wading through tons of applicants before eventually arriving
> at someone you actually want to hire.And if you have an ounce of
> empathy, constantly needing to turn people down because they are
> not the right fit feels horrible.
>
> The way I conceived of the 'job fair' working would be in two stages.
>
> The first stage would be a sign up and stakeholder gathering
> phase. Job seekers would fill out an online form detailing their
> skills and interests and any ideas for solutions to unsolved
> problems they had.Employers (worker coops and businesses that
> agree to not throw their employees under the proverbial bus if the
> job does not work out) would sign up and agree to employ people to
> work /with/ them and not /for/ them.Business investors and venture
> capitalists would sign up and work on forming business ideas with
> people who do not see an existing role with any of the existing
> business that are hiring.
>
> Then the second stage would be the actual conference where
> everyone gets to know each other and job seekers and job fillers
> seek mutual skills and interests.The people who do not have career
> goals and skills in line with those being sought, and those with
> business ideas they are looking to actualize, would work with the
> business investors and venture capitalists. Together, they would
> form new worker cooperative businesses around the solutions
> previously identified in the first stage that everyone on the
> table can get behind.These cooperatives would act as holons
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holon_(philosophy)>, each
> independent entities, but with the ability to utilize each other's
> resources to some extent.There would also be a buffer fund
> established that all the cooperatives earning a positive income
> would contribute to and those needing a more income could draw
> from.The way the investors would get compensated is that they
> would be seen as one of the cooperatives.If the investors want to
> withdraw some of their investment, their financial balance would
> be negative and therefore a proportion of the buffer fund will go
> to them.This siphoning of money to an investor will only continue
> until a previously agreed upon return on investment is achieved or
> the person invests more money back into the system. Because the
> contribution will only be a portion of the /profit/, if some or
> all cooperatives are not earning a profit, they will not need to
> contribute to the buffer.Obviously exact details will need to be
> worked out when more people get involved, but that is the general
> way I am envisioning the financing working. It may also make sense
> to involve colleges and others in the education sphere.They could
> be seen as business investors. Although they may not be providing
> financial support, they can still provide significant resources
> and as a result have a share of the profit.However, the exact
> nature of their compensation would need to be figured out because
> education is rarely easily quantifiable.
>
> The important point in all this is that people are not competing –
> there would be the explicit edict that no one is left out and no
> one is forced to do things they have no desire to do (of course it
> may be necessary for some people to do undesired tasks, but these
> tasks should be for the purpose of fulfilling desired goals).
>
> What do people think of this idea and is anyone interested in
> working on it with me?I would not be surprised if we could get
> some grant funding to get the ball rolling.
>
>
> Aaron E-J
> The Other Realm LLC
> http://otherrealm.org
> http://theotherrealm.org (Blog)
>
> On 2019-09-26 2:30 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>> Ha! Our replies came in at the same time, Todd. Are you still
>> involved with the Graphic Artists Guild?
>>
>> Deb
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:56 PM Todd LeMieux
>> <todd at toddlemieux.com <mailto:todd at toddlemieux.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Great replies, and I completely agree.
>>
>> I really haven’t seen this in any other industry outside of
>> creative services (designers, web developers, photographers,
>> musicians, etc) “contests” to get essentially free work (and
>> usually underpaid, for the “winner”, if there is any payment
>> involved). It’s just plain wrong.
>>
>> Deb, your point is a valid comparison. Imagine having a
>> similar contest for bookkeeping services, or for legal
>> representation? You get the point.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Todd
>>
>> -------------------
>>
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>> 413.237.6869
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>>
>>
>> On September 26, 2019 at 1:43:29 PM, Deborah Chandler via
>> Hidden-discuss (hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
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>>
>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>
>>> I agree with Rich. If your business is a profit-making
>>> business which offers services to help people thrive, then
>>> paying for graphic design services are helping a qualified
>>> graphic designer to "thrive".
>>>
>>> What you have proposed is called "spec work", where you are
>>> only willing to pay for a "winning" design. This spec work
>>> is frowned upon in the graphic design industry. Imagine you
>>> sit down at a restaurant and you ask them to serve you 6
>>> different dishes, you try each one, and only pay for the one
>>> you found tasty. You would never do that. Not many
>>> professions deal with this issue the way creatives do. And
>>> the Graphic Artists Guild, among others, speak up about it,
>>> have worked on Pricing and Ethical Guidelines (PEGS) for
>>> just these types of issues, and support their members as
>>> they adhere to these industry guidelines.
>>>
>>> You may be unaware of this issue, you may have seen other
>>> people do contests like this and thought it was okay to do.
>>> But please be aware that it is not accepted in our industry,
>>> and I for one, kindly request that you choose to hire a
>>> qualified graphic designer and negotiate fees that pay them
>>> a good rate for their good work. If you are not familiar
>>> with this hiring process, how to choose a qualified
>>> designer, I am sure there are many folks here who can help
>>> you out with that, and some will be willing to quote on your
>>> project and provide trusted advice on various aspects of the
>>> process through to completion.
>>>
>>> Best on this project,
>>> Deb
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:27 AM Jessica Gifford via
>>> Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>>> <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'm running a design contest for the back and box of a
>>> customized deck of /Connection Cards/, which are used in
>>> a program that helps participants get to know new
>>> people, build social connections, and develop
>>> friendships. Each card has a question that participants
>>> answer as part of the program. There will be a $150
>>> prize for the winning design. You may email
>>> jessica at growingwellness.life
>>> <mailto:jessica at growingwellness.life> for entry
>>> guidelines. Please pass along to anyone who may be
>>> interested.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Jessica Gifford, LICSW
>>> www.growingwellness.life <http://www.growingwellness.life>
>>> 413-548-4688
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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