[Hidden-tech] The Other Job Fair

Fri Sep 27 10:50:24 UTC 2019

Interesting proposal! I recommend some language adjustments to the
proposal. :
(a) An alternative term to the term "job fair"
(b)  An alternative to the term "holon" that is more commonly used
(c) Changes to this language to form more positive language: "It can often
result in needing to compromise your moral principles and spend most of
your time doing things in areas you are not passionate about.  Constantly
needing to be judged and being told that you are not as good as someone
else who got the job you wanted, puts a tremendous toll on your wellbeing
and desire to interact with others.  On the other side, someone looking to
hire the right person has to spend a considerable amount of time wading
through tons of applicants before eventually arriving at someone you
actually want to hire.  And if you have an ounce of empathy, constantly
needing to turn people down because they are not the right fit feels
horrible."

Also, there is a lot of knowledge to gain from talking to professionals in
the worker cooperative and grocery cooperative industries. There is vast
amounts of knowledge through some organizations and consultants associated
with these industries.

Regards, An HR & Marketing Consultant
*Christine Dutton*
*Dutton Consulting *
*413-626-6377*

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:38 PM Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

>             This discussion of the need to work for less than a fair wage
> got me thinking of an idea I had a while back.  The idea is a kind of
> 'jobs fair' that would be open to anyone, and anyone who attended would be
> either guaranteed a job or funding for a startup.  The amount of time
> that people spend competing for: first a college degree, then a job, then
> maybe funding for a business idea, is enormous.  It can often result in
> needing to compromise your moral principles and spend most of your time
> doing things in areas you are not passionate about.  Constantly needing
> to be judged and being told that you are not as good as someone else who
> got the job you wanted, puts a tremendous toll on your wellbeing and desire
> to interact with others.  On the other side, someone looking to hire the
> right person has to spend a considerable amount of time wading through tons
> of applicants before eventually arriving at someone you actually want to
> hire.  And if you have an ounce of empathy, constantly needing to turn
> people down because they are not the right fit feels horrible.
>
>             The way I conceived of the 'job fair' working would be in two
> stages.
>
>             The first stage would be a sign up and stakeholder gathering
> phase.  Job seekers would fill out an online form detailing their skills
> and interests and any ideas for solutions to unsolved problems they had.  Employers
> (worker coops and businesses that agree to not throw their employees under
> the proverbial bus if the job does not work out) would sign up and agree to
> employ people to work *with* them and not *for* them.  Business investors
> and venture capitalists would sign up and work on forming business ideas
> with people who do not see an existing role with any of the existing
> business that are hiring.
>
>             Then the second stage would be the actual conference where
> everyone gets to know each other and job seekers and job fillers seek
> mutual skills and interests.  The people who do not have career goals and
> skills in line with those being sought, and those with business ideas they
> are looking to actualize, would work with the business investors and
> venture capitalists.  Together, they would form new worker cooperative
> businesses around the solutions previously identified in the first stage
> that everyone on the table can get behind.  These cooperatives would act
> as holons <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holon_(philosophy)>, each
> independent entities, but with the ability to utilize each other's
> resources to some extent.  There would also be a buffer fund established
> that all the cooperatives earning a positive income would contribute to and
> those needing a more income could draw from.  The way the investors would
> get compensated is that they would be seen as one of the cooperatives.  If
> the investors want to withdraw some of their investment, their financial
> balance would be negative and therefore a proportion of the buffer fund
> will go to them.  This siphoning of money to an investor will only
> continue until a previously agreed upon return on investment is achieved or
> the person invests more money back into the system.  Because the
> contribution will only be a portion of the *profit*, if some or all
> cooperatives are not earning a profit, they will not need to contribute to
> the buffer.  Obviously exact details will need to be worked out when more
> people get involved, but that is the general way I am envisioning the
> financing working.  It may also make sense to involve colleges and others
> in the education sphere.  They could be seen as business investors.  Although
> they may not be providing financial support, they can still provide
> significant resources and as a result have a share of the profit.  However,
> the exact nature of their compensation would need to be figured out because
> education is rarely easily quantifiable.
>
>             The important point in all this is that people are not
> competing – there would be the explicit edict that no one is left out and
> no one is forced to do things they have no desire to do (of course it may
> be necessary for some people to do undesired tasks, but these tasks should
> be for the purpose of fulfilling desired goals).
>             What do people think of this idea and is anyone interested in
> working on it with me?  I would not be surprised if we could get some
> grant funding to get the ball rolling.
>
>
> Aaron E-J
> The Other Realm LLChttp://otherrealm.orghttp://theotherrealm.org (Blog)
>
> On 2019-09-26 2:30 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> Ha! Our replies came in at the same time, Todd. Are you still involved
> with the Graphic Artists Guild?
>
> Deb
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:56 PM Todd LeMieux <todd at toddlemieux.com> wrote:
>
>> Great replies, and I completely agree.
>>
>> I really haven’t seen this in any other industry outside of creative
>> services (designers, web developers, photographers, musicians, etc)
>> “contests” to get essentially free work (and usually underpaid, for the
>> “winner”, if there is any payment involved). It’s just plain wrong.
>>
>> Deb, your point is a valid comparison. Imagine having a similar contest
>> for bookkeeping services, or for legal representation? You get the point.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Todd
>>
>> -------------------
>>
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>> 413.237.6869
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>> On September 26, 2019 at 1:43:29 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss (
>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net) wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jessica,
>>
>> I agree with Rich. If your business is a profit-making business which
>> offers services to help people thrive, then paying for graphic design
>> services are helping a qualified graphic designer to "thrive".
>>
>> What you have proposed is called "spec work", where you are only willing
>> to pay for a "winning" design. This spec work is frowned upon in the
>> graphic design industry. Imagine you sit down at a restaurant and you ask
>> them to serve you 6 different dishes, you try each one, and only pay for
>> the one you found tasty. You would never do that. Not many professions deal
>> with this issue the way creatives do. And the Graphic Artists Guild, among
>> others, speak up about it, have worked on Pricing and Ethical Guidelines
>> (PEGS) for just these types of issues, and support their members as they
>> adhere to these industry guidelines.
>>
>> You may be unaware of this issue, you may have seen other people do
>> contests like this and thought it was okay to do. But please be aware that
>> it is not accepted in our industry, and I for one, kindly request that you
>> choose to hire a qualified graphic designer and negotiate fees that pay
>> them a good rate for their good work. If you are not familiar with this
>> hiring process, how to choose a qualified designer, I am sure there are
>> many folks here who can help you out with that, and some will be willing to
>> quote on your project and provide trusted advice on various aspects of the
>> process through to completion.
>>
>> Best on this project,
>> Deb
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:27 AM Jessica Gifford via Hidden-discuss <
>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'm running a design contest for the back and box of a customized deck
>>> of *Connection Cards*, which are used in a program that helps
>>> participants get to know new people, build social connections, and develop
>>> friendships. Each card has a question that participants answer as part of
>>> the program. There will be a $150 prize for the winning design. You may
>>> email jessica at growingwellness.life for entry guidelines. Please pass
>>> along to anyone who may be interested.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Jessica Gifford, LICSW
>>> www.growingwellness.life
>>> 413-548-4688
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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