[Hidden-tech] The Other Job Fair

Sat Sep 28 01:17:15 UTC 2019

The idea of moving people to action via curiosity actually has a name:
Zeigarnik
Effect. It's well-known in the marketing world, especially (but not
exclusively, by a long shot) in the work of Mark Joyner.

BTW, I am Member #11 at River Valley Co-op, which has now grown well past
10,000 members. I always get a kick out of going in there, giving my owner
number, and watching the cashier's jaw drop (especially the time the person
in front of me happened to have a number somewhere around 9700). Of course,
the flip side was that the first few years until the store opened, I had a
coffee mug that essentially cost me $150. But I've been a member of some
food co-op or other almost the entire time since 1975, in DC, Atlanta,
Providence, and the Valley--and have had River Valley and several other
co-ops as well as the Co-op Development Institute as marketing clients over
the years.

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On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 6:51 PM Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Oh, this text is just some very preliminary thoughts.  I agree that 'job
> fair' is not the best name for it - if anyone has a better name, I'm all
> ears.
>
> I wouldn't use 'holon' in public text without any reference.  The reason
> I used it in this email is because I added a link to more information and I
> really like the concept.  In retrospect, also because using one or two
> obscure terms that have a lot of relevance to the topic on hand makes
> people more engaged in the topic because not knowing something irks you and
> makes you need to find out more (didn't really think about that aspect of
> things at the time, but I think it is often the case, at least for the
> literarily inclined).
>
> I totally agree that using negative condonation is not productive (hence
> why our government is in total stand still).  That is actually the whole
> point of the project – to get rid of resentment and be more productive.  It
> is really hard to not do it though, and I guess in this context I was
> trying to lay out the case that no one is at fault, it is the system that
> is the problem.
>
> I have been a strong proponent of the worker coop model for a long time
> and am a River Valley and Common Share food coop member (I actually served
> on the board of Common Share Coop a number of years back when it was still
> Amherst Community Coop).
>
> Aaron E-J
> The Other Realm LLChttp://otherrealm.orghttp://theotherrealm.org (Blog)
>
> On 2019-09-27 6:50 AM, Christine Dutton wrote:
>
> Interesting proposal! I recommend some language adjustments to the
> proposal. :
> (a) An alternative term to the term "job fair"
> (b)  An alternative to the term "holon" that is more commonly used
> (c) Changes to this language to form more positive language: "It can
> often result in needing to compromise your moral principles and spend most
> of your time doing things in areas you are not passionate about.  Constantly
> needing to be judged and being told that you are not as good as someone
> else who got the job you wanted, puts a tremendous toll on your wellbeing
> and desire to interact with others.  On the other side, someone looking
> to hire the right person has to spend a considerable amount of time wading
> through tons of applicants before eventually arriving at someone you
> actually want to hire.  And if you have an ounce of empathy, constantly
> needing to turn people down because they are not the right fit feels
> horrible."
>
> Also, there is a lot of knowledge to gain from talking to professionals in
> the worker cooperative and grocery cooperative industries. There is vast
> amounts of knowledge through some organizations and consultants associated
> with these industries.
>
> Regards, An HR & Marketing Consultant
> *Christine Dutton*
> *Dutton Consulting *
> *413-626-6377*
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:38 PM Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>
>>             This discussion of the need to work for less than a fair
>> wage got me thinking of an idea I had a while back.  The idea is a kind
>> of 'jobs fair' that would be open to anyone, and anyone who attended would
>> be either guaranteed a job or funding for a startup.  The amount of time
>> that people spend competing for: first a college degree, then a job, then
>> maybe funding for a business idea, is enormous.  It can often result in
>> needing to compromise your moral principles and spend most of your time
>> doing things in areas you are not passionate about.  Constantly needing
>> to be judged and being told that you are not as good as someone else who
>> got the job you wanted, puts a tremendous toll on your wellbeing and desire
>> to interact with others.  On the other side, someone looking to hire the
>> right person has to spend a considerable amount of time wading through tons
>> of applicants before eventually arriving at someone you actually want to
>> hire.  And if you have an ounce of empathy, constantly needing to turn
>> people down because they are not the right fit feels horrible.
>>
>>             The way I conceived of the 'job fair' working would be in
>> two stages.
>>
>>             The first stage would be a sign up and stakeholder gathering
>> phase.  Job seekers would fill out an online form detailing their skills
>> and interests and any ideas for solutions to unsolved problems they had.
>> Employers (worker coops and businesses that agree to not throw their
>> employees under the proverbial bus if the job does not work out) would sign
>> up and agree to employ people to work *with* them and not *for* them.  Business
>> investors and venture capitalists would sign up and work on forming
>> business ideas with people who do not see an existing role with any of the
>> existing business that are hiring.
>>
>>             Then the second stage would be the actual conference where
>> everyone gets to know each other and job seekers and job fillers seek
>> mutual skills and interests.  The people who do not have career goals
>> and skills in line with those being sought, and those with business ideas
>> they are looking to actualize, would work with the business investors and
>> venture capitalists.  Together, they would form new worker cooperative
>> businesses around the solutions previously identified in the first stage
>> that everyone on the table can get behind.  These cooperatives would act
>> as holons <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holon_(philosophy)>, each
>> independent entities, but with the ability to utilize each other's
>> resources to some extent.  There would also be a buffer fund established
>> that all the cooperatives earning a positive income would contribute to and
>> those needing a more income could draw from.  The way the investors
>> would get compensated is that they would be seen as one of the cooperatives.
>> If the investors want to withdraw some of their investment, their
>> financial balance would be negative and therefore a proportion of the
>> buffer fund will go to them.  This siphoning of money to an investor
>> will only continue until a previously agreed upon return on investment is
>> achieved or the person invests more money back into the system.  Because
>> the contribution will only be a portion of the *profit*, if some or all
>> cooperatives are not earning a profit, they will not need to contribute to
>> the buffer.  Obviously exact details will need to be worked out when
>> more people get involved, but that is the general way I am envisioning the
>> financing working.  It may also make sense to involve colleges and
>> others in the education sphere.  They could be seen as business
>> investors.  Although they may not be providing financial support, they
>> can still provide significant resources and as a result have a share of the
>> profit.  However, the exact nature of their compensation would need to
>> be figured out because education is rarely easily quantifiable.
>>
>>             The important point in all this is that people are not
>> competing – there would be the explicit edict that no one is left out and
>> no one is forced to do things they have no desire to do (of course it may
>> be necessary for some people to do undesired tasks, but these tasks should
>> be for the purpose of fulfilling desired goals).
>>             What do people think of this idea and is anyone interested
>> in working on it with me?  I would not be surprised if we could get some
>> grant funding to get the ball rolling.
>>
>>
>> Aaron E-J
>> The Other Realm LLChttp://otherrealm.orghttp://theotherrealm.org (Blog)
>>
>> On 2019-09-26 2:30 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>
>> Ha! Our replies came in at the same time, Todd. Are you still involved
>> with the Graphic Artists Guild?
>>
>> Deb
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:56 PM Todd LeMieux <todd at toddlemieux.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great replies, and I completely agree.
>>>
>>> I really haven’t seen this in any other industry outside of creative
>>> services (designers, web developers, photographers, musicians, etc)
>>> “contests” to get essentially free work (and usually underpaid, for the
>>> “winner”, if there is any payment involved). It’s just plain wrong.
>>>
>>> Deb, your point is a valid comparison. Imagine having a similar contest
>>> for bookkeeping services, or for legal representation? You get the point.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Todd
>>>
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>>>
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>>> On September 26, 2019 at 1:43:29 PM, Deborah Chandler via Hidden-discuss
>>> (hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net) wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>
>>> I agree with Rich. If your business is a profit-making business which
>>> offers services to help people thrive, then paying for graphic design
>>> services are helping a qualified graphic designer to "thrive".
>>>
>>> What you have proposed is called "spec work", where you are only willing
>>> to pay for a "winning" design. This spec work is frowned upon in the
>>> graphic design industry. Imagine you sit down at a restaurant and you ask
>>> them to serve you 6 different dishes, you try each one, and only pay for
>>> the one you found tasty. You would never do that. Not many professions deal
>>> with this issue the way creatives do. And the Graphic Artists Guild, among
>>> others, speak up about it, have worked on Pricing and Ethical Guidelines
>>> (PEGS) for just these types of issues, and support their members as they
>>> adhere to these industry guidelines.
>>>
>>> You may be unaware of this issue, you may have seen other people do
>>> contests like this and thought it was okay to do. But please be aware that
>>> it is not accepted in our industry, and I for one, kindly request that you
>>> choose to hire a qualified graphic designer and negotiate fees that pay
>>> them a good rate for their good work. If you are not familiar with this
>>> hiring process, how to choose a qualified designer, I am sure there are
>>> many folks here who can help you out with that, and some will be willing to
>>> quote on your project and provide trusted advice on various aspects of the
>>> process through to completion.
>>>
>>> Best on this project,
>>> Deb
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:27 AM Jessica Gifford via Hidden-discuss <
>>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I'm running a design contest for the back and box of a customized deck
>>>> of *Connection Cards*, which are used in a program that helps
>>>> participants get to know new people, build social connections, and develop
>>>> friendships. Each card has a question that participants answer as part of
>>>> the program. There will be a $150 prize for the winning design. You
>>>> may email jessica at growingwellness.life for entry guidelines. Please
>>>> pass along to anyone who may be interested.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Jessica
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jessica Gifford, LICSW
>>>> www.growingwellness.life
>>>> 413-548-4688
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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