[Hidden-tech] Hidden-discuss Digest, Vol 184, Issue 10

Wed Feb 26 21:12:51 UTC 2020

Hi Nathan and Shel,

Thank you for your input.

Nathan:  You wrote: *"It is actually work maintaining a NAS as you need to
run updates and have it be in a stable secure location, ideally with UPS.
That's something for you to think about."  *I am not sure what you meant by
that.  I did not know anything about maintaining and updating a NAS and I
don't know what UPS is (other than a delivery service).  But it may not
matter because I think I would rather use 3.5 inch drives and not the 2.5
inch ones, as I think the former are probably more robust and reliable in
the long run.  Also, your 1tb drives which you mentioned are not going to
help me, as I want 10tb of storage space.  So thanks for offering but I
don't think I would want to purchase your items.

Shel:  I generally don't use the Mac OS so I don't think I could use the
technique you mentioned.  Thanks for letting me know that I did not copy
Don in the previous email.  But I called him earlier today and we talked at
some length about this whole issue of me getting an external storage
system.  I am glad I spoke to him.

Best regards,

Vincent

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:01 PM Nathan Chung <nchung111 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> Sorry to join the conversation late. I actually have an older (around
> 2018) Synology DS416Slim I am trying to sell for $175. It can fit four 2.5"
> disks, but not full-size 3.5" disks. It is actually work maintaining a NAS
> as you need to run updates and have it be in a stable secure location,
> ideally with UPS. That's something for you to think about. I decided to
> sell it and go with simpler cloud and the good-old USB external drives for
> backups. The machine's pretty compact. It won't have the warranty as it is
> not transferable. Synology basically wants you to buy it new from them. I
> also have two Hitachi 1-TB disks I used with the machine I am trying to
> sell for $35 each (
> https://www.newegg.com/hgst-travelstar-7k1000-1tb-hts721010a9e630/p/N82E16822145881?Item=N82E16822145881) Let
> me know if you are interested in buying the items.
>
> -Nathan
> nchung111 at gmail.com
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 9:27 PM explodingbee . via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to everyone who responded to my query about a data storage
>> system.  Here are some comments in response:
>>
>> Roy: I am open to using FreeNAS and ZFS.  But I don't have the hardware
>> yet.  I think I should get the hardware first.  I also really don't have
>> time to make this into a big learning project.  Also, I want a physical
>> storage system, not a cloud based one.
>>
>> Rich:  You wrote: "If you are into DIY -- explore a Rasperry PI based
>> NAS"  I have never even heard of this before.  If it is a DIY project it
>> would probably take a lot of time, and I can't really afford that at this
>> point.
>>
>> Also, in another email you wrote:
>>
>> "Also, as was just pointed out to me, that effects Drobo - evidently
>> Drobo directly shipps units from China and are being effected by the
>> Coronavirus -- no idea who else or for how long this will be an issue --
>> personally I'd pick the best unit for my needs and wait a bit."
>>
>> Unfortunately, I can't really wait.  My laptop keyboard is all screwed up
>> and I am using an onscreen keyboard to type.  I need to get this storage
>> system, get my data off and send out my laptop to MSI for repair.
>>
>> Rob Laporte:  Ok.  You recommend Synology (in another email).  I will
>> look at/consider their units.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Vincent
>>
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>>> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:48:14 -0500
>>> From: "Elijah Gwynn" <eli at egwynn.com>
>>> To: "Rich at OTN" <rich at on-the-net.com>
>>> Cc: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] external hard drive system
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>>> +1 for BSD-based system. If you've got some unix savvy, it's relatively
>>> easy to set up FreeBSD with ZFS in various RAID configs. It's also great
>>> for running your own local services if you want to get more out of your
>>> hardware.
>>>
>>> Eli
>>>
>>> On 24 Feb 2020, at 16:38, Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>>
>>> > we also used Openfiler https://www.openfiler.com/ on a system (since
>>> > 2011)
>>> > And it has worked fine - clearly an NAS
>>> >
>>> > On 2/24/2020 3:03 PM, RA Cohen via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I would strongly suggest you investigate FreeNAS at
>>> >> https://www.freenas.org/
>>> >>
>>> >> OR,
>>> >>
>>> >> a small, properly configured BSD-based system with zfs storage pools
>>> >> would also be equivalent - it's just a matter of preference and
>>> >> possibly cost.
>>> >>
>>> >> Network Advantage could help you set up these kinds of NAS
>>> >> storage-servers, either physical or virtual in the cloud.
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>>> >> On 2/24/20 12:35 PM, explodingbee . via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>> >>> Hi folks,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I want to purchase and set up a 10tb RAID1 external hard drive
>>> >>> system.? (So that would be two 10tb hard drives mirroring each
>>> >>> other.)? Someone suggested that I get a QNAP Tr-002 system
>>> >>> (example:
>>> >>>
>>> https://www.newegg.com/qnap-tr-002-us/p/N82E16822099076?Description=qnap%20tr-002&cm_re=qnap_tr-002-_-22-099-076-_-Product&quicklink=true).
>>>
>>> >>> Does anyone know if that is a good system?? It is less expensive to
>>> >>> get two independent single 10tb external hard drives and use a
>>> >>> mirroring function available as part of Windows 10 to mirror the two
>>> >>> drives but someone advised me not to trust Windows 10 to do that.?
>>> >>> Also, I was thinking of getting SAS drives instead of NAS drives,
>>> >>> but that is apparently a different types of system and I don't know
>>> >>> much about that.? Any thoughts on these things?? Also, if I do get
>>> >>> NAS drives, which ones are best?? Thanks in advance.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -Vincent
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>>> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:56:29 -0500
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>>> Hi Kimo, again I recommend learning just a bit about ZFS - how it is
>>> considered by many the ultimate file system with origins in Sun
>>> Microsystems but still being actively developed and refined in the open
>>> source world. It is behind many commercial products.
>>>
>>> The ease and reliability of local snapshotting has saved my butt many
>>> times over.
>>>
>>> It also makes it relative simple to do a send | receive of block changes
>>> to a remote off-site server for backups. The operating systems with zfs
>>> support usually include rsync which further expands your options...
>>>
>>> ZFS is part of FreeBSD [underlying FreeNAS], and can also be implemented
>>> in Linux [although I cannot attest to its ruggedness there]
>>>
>>> IRC channels are great resources for ZFS support (and FreeBSD also).
>>>
>>> Here's an interesting read:
>>> https://itsfoss.com/freebsd-interview-deb-goodkin/
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/zfs.html
>>>
>>> I've installed FreeBSD on a large variety of hardware and use zfs with
>>> it extensively ... FreeNAS (or NAS4Free) is there if one wants a more
>>> appliance-like experience...
>>>
>>> Last thing - exporting and importing of zfs pools means one can take,
>>> for example, a pair of mirrored disks making up a zpool - and move them
>>> to another piece of completely different hardware - do a zpool import -
>>> and bingo!, you're ready to roll!
>>>
>>> Hope this is helpful,
>>>
>>> -Roy
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>>> On 2/25/20 9:46 AM, B. Kimo Lee via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>> > Hi HT,
>>> >
>>> > I?m also interested in a new local backup RAID system. A consultant I
>>> > work with suggested I look into Synology disk stations. Wondering
>>> > whether anyone has compared these two?
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Kimo
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:35 PM, explodingbee . via Hidden-discuss
>>> > <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>>> > <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi folks,
>>> >>
>>> >> I want to purchase and set up a 10tb RAID1 external hard drive
>>> >> system.? (So that would be two 10tb hard drives mirroring each
>>> >> other.)? Someone suggested that I get a QNAP Tr-002 system (example:
>>> >>
>>> https://www.newegg.com/qnap-tr-002-us/p/N82E16822099076?Description=qnap%20tr-002&cm_re=qnap_tr-002-_-22-099-076-_-Product&quicklink=true).
>>>
>>> >> Does anyone know if that is a good system?? It is less expensive to
>>> >> get two independent single 10tb external hard drives and use a
>>> >> mirroring function available as part of Windows 10 to mirror the two
>>> >> drives but someone advised me not to trust Windows 10 to do that.?
>>> >> Also, I was thinking of getting SAS drives instead of NAS drives, but
>>> >> that is apparently a different types of system and I don't know much
>>> >> about that.? Any thoughts on these things?? Also, if I do get NAS
>>> >> drives, which ones are best?? Thanks in advance.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Vincent
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>>> Now for a totally different idea
>>>
>>> If you are into DIY -- explore a Rasperry PI based NAS
>>> There are variety of online detailed FAQ about how to build one.
>>>
>>> On quite review, they appear to be all based on using the 4 USB to
>>> connect the drives, which
>>> would effect the absolute speed -- but I've not looked further.
>>>
>>> Might be a good group project ;)
>>>
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