[Hidden-tech] Hidden-discuss Digest, Vol 184, Issue 10

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On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 8:44 PM explodingbee . via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who responded to my query about a data storage system.
> Here are some comments in response:
>
> Roy: I am open to using FreeNAS and ZFS.  But I don't have the hardware
> yet.  I think I should get the hardware first.  I also really don't have
> time to make this into a big learning project.  Also, I want a physical
> storage system, not a cloud based one.
>
> Rich:  You wrote: "If you are into DIY -- explore a Rasperry PI based
> NAS"  I have never even heard of this before.  If it is a DIY project it
> would probably take a lot of time, and I can't really afford that at this
> point.
>
> Also, in another email you wrote:
>
> "Also, as was just pointed out to me, that effects Drobo - evidently
> Drobo directly shipps units from China and are being effected by the
> Coronavirus -- no idea who else or for how long this will be an issue --
> personally I'd pick the best unit for my needs and wait a bit."
>
> Unfortunately, I can't really wait.  My laptop keyboard is all screwed up
> and I am using an onscreen keyboard to type.  I need to get this storage
> system, get my data off and send out my laptop to MSI for repair.
>
> Rob Laporte:  Ok.  You recommend Synology (in another email).  I will look
> at/consider their units.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vincent
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 5:47 PM <
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>> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:48:14 -0500
>> From: "Elijah Gwynn" <eli at egwynn.com>
>> To: "Rich at OTN" <rich at on-the-net.com>
>> Cc: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] external hard drive system
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>> +1 for BSD-based system. If you've got some unix savvy, it's relatively
>> easy to set up FreeBSD with ZFS in various RAID configs. It's also great
>> for running your own local services if you want to get more out of your
>> hardware.
>>
>> Eli
>>
>> On 24 Feb 2020, at 16:38, Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>
>> > we also used Openfiler https://www.openfiler.com/ on a system (since
>> > 2011)
>> > And it has worked fine - clearly an NAS
>> >
>> > On 2/24/2020 3:03 PM, RA Cohen via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I would strongly suggest you investigate FreeNAS at
>> >> https://www.freenas.org/
>> >>
>> >> OR,
>> >>
>> >> a small, properly configured BSD-based system with zfs storage pools
>> >> would also be equivalent - it's just a matter of preference and
>> >> possibly cost.
>> >>
>> >> Network Advantage could help you set up these kinds of NAS
>> >> storage-servers, either physical or virtual in the cloud.
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>> >> On 2/24/20 12:35 PM, explodingbee . via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>> >>> Hi folks,
>> >>>
>> >>> I want to purchase and set up a 10tb RAID1 external hard drive
>> >>> system.? (So that would be two 10tb hard drives mirroring each
>> >>> other.)? Someone suggested that I get a QNAP Tr-002 system
>> >>> (example:
>> >>>
>> https://www.newegg.com/qnap-tr-002-us/p/N82E16822099076?Description=qnap%20tr-002&cm_re=qnap_tr-002-_-22-099-076-_-Product&quicklink=true).
>>
>> >>> Does anyone know if that is a good system?? It is less expensive to
>> >>> get two independent single 10tb external hard drives and use a
>> >>> mirroring function available as part of Windows 10 to mirror the two
>> >>> drives but someone advised me not to trust Windows 10 to do that.?
>> >>> Also, I was thinking of getting SAS drives instead of NAS drives,
>> >>> but that is apparently a different types of system and I don't know
>> >>> much about that.? Any thoughts on these things?? Also, if I do get
>> >>> NAS drives, which ones are best?? Thanks in advance.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Vincent
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>> From: RA Cohen <roy at net-vantage.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] external hard drive system
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>> Hi Kimo, again I recommend learning just a bit about ZFS - how it is
>> considered by many the ultimate file system with origins in Sun
>> Microsystems but still being actively developed and refined in the open
>> source world. It is behind many commercial products.
>>
>> The ease and reliability of local snapshotting has saved my butt many
>> times over.
>>
>> It also makes it relative simple to do a send | receive of block changes
>> to a remote off-site server for backups. The operating systems with zfs
>> support usually include rsync which further expands your options...
>>
>> ZFS is part of FreeBSD [underlying FreeNAS], and can also be implemented
>> in Linux [although I cannot attest to its ruggedness there]
>>
>> IRC channels are great resources for ZFS support (and FreeBSD also).
>>
>> Here's an interesting read:
>> https://itsfoss.com/freebsd-interview-deb-goodkin/
>>
>> and
>>
>> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/zfs.html
>>
>> I've installed FreeBSD on a large variety of hardware and use zfs with
>> it extensively ... FreeNAS (or NAS4Free) is there if one wants a more
>> appliance-like experience...
>>
>> Last thing - exporting and importing of zfs pools means one can take,
>> for example, a pair of mirrored disks making up a zpool - and move them
>> to another piece of completely different hardware - do a zpool import -
>> and bingo!, you're ready to roll!
>>
>> Hope this is helpful,
>>
>> -Roy
>>
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>> Roy A Cohen CEO
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>> Office 365
>> Disaster Recovery
>> Cloud Desktops | Servers
>> Cloud Infrastructure - Migrations
>>
>> Traditional Services
>>
>> Security & Compliance
>> Risk Assessment
>> On / Off-Site Backups
>> Standby Off-Site Servers
>> Virtualization Solutions
>> Remote Monitoring & Maintenance
>>
>> Net-Voice Phone Services
>>
>> System Upgrades
>> Dramatic Cost Savings
>> Unlimited Calling
>> Advanced Feature Set
>> Business Continuity
>>
>> On 2/25/20 9:46 AM, B. Kimo Lee via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>> > Hi HT,
>> >
>> > I?m also interested in a new local backup RAID system. A consultant I
>> > work with suggested I look into Synology disk stations. Wondering
>> > whether anyone has compared these two?
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Kimo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:35 PM, explodingbee . via Hidden-discuss
>> > <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>> > <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi folks,
>> >>
>> >> I want to purchase and set up a 10tb RAID1 external hard drive
>> >> system.? (So that would be two 10tb hard drives mirroring each
>> >> other.)? Someone suggested that I get a QNAP Tr-002 system (example:
>> >>
>> https://www.newegg.com/qnap-tr-002-us/p/N82E16822099076?Description=qnap%20tr-002&cm_re=qnap_tr-002-_-22-099-076-_-Product&quicklink=true).
>>
>> >> Does anyone know if that is a good system?? It is less expensive to
>> >> get two independent single 10tb external hard drives and use a
>> >> mirroring function available as part of Windows 10 to mirror the two
>> >> drives but someone advised me not to trust Windows 10 to do that.?
>> >> Also, I was thinking of getting SAS drives instead of NAS drives, but
>> >> that is apparently a different types of system and I don't know much
>> >> about that.? Any thoughts on these things?? Also, if I do get NAS
>> >> drives, which ones are best?? Thanks in advance.
>> >>
>> >> -Vincent
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>> Now for a totally different idea
>>
>> If you are into DIY -- explore a Rasperry PI based NAS
>> There are variety of online detailed FAQ about how to build one.
>>
>> On quite review, they appear to be all based on using the 4 USB to
>> connect the drives, which
>> would effect the absolute speed -- but I've not looked further.
>>
>> Might be a good group project ;)
>>
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