[Hidden-tech] Hidden-discuss Digest, Vol 184, Issue 10

explodingbee . explodingbee at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 01:44:24 UTC 2020 

Thanks to everyone who responded to my query about a data storage system.
Here are some comments in response:

Roy: I am open to using FreeNAS and ZFS.  But I don't have the hardware
yet.  I think I should get the hardware first.  I also really don't have
time to make this into a big learning project.  Also, I want a physical
storage system, not a cloud based one.

Rich:  You wrote: "If you are into DIY -- explore a Rasperry PI based NAS"
I have never even heard of this before.  If it is a DIY project it would
probably take a lot of time, and I can't really afford that at this point.

Also, in another email you wrote:

"Also, as was just pointed out to me, that effects Drobo - evidently
Drobo directly shipps units from China and are being effected by the
Coronavirus -- no idea who else or for how long this will be an issue --
personally I'd pick the best unit for my needs and wait a bit."

Unfortunately, I can't really wait.  My laptop keyboard is all screwed up
and I am using an onscreen keyboard to type.  I need to get this storage
system, get my data off and send out my laptop to MSI for repair.

Rob Laporte:  Ok.  You recommend Synology (in another email).  I will look
at/consider their units.

Thanks,

Vincent

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> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:48:14 -0500
> From: "Elijah Gwynn" <eli at egwynn.com>
> To: "Rich at OTN" <rich at on-the-net.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] external hard drive system
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> +1 for BSD-based system. If you've got some unix savvy, it's relatively
> easy to set up FreeBSD with ZFS in various RAID configs. It's also great
> for running your own local services if you want to get more out of your
> hardware.
>
> Eli
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> On 24 Feb 2020, at 16:38, Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>
> > we also used Openfiler https://www.openfiler.com/ on a system (since
> > 2011)
> > And it has worked fine - clearly an NAS
> >
> > On 2/24/2020 3:03 PM, RA Cohen via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> >>
> >> I would strongly suggest you investigate FreeNAS at
> >> https://www.freenas.org/
> >>
> >> OR,
> >>
> >> a small, properly configured BSD-based system with zfs storage pools
> >> would also be equivalent - it's just a matter of preference and
> >> possibly cost.
> >>
> >> Network Advantage could help you set up these kinds of NAS
> >> storage-servers, either physical or virtual in the cloud.
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> >> On 2/24/20 12:35 PM, explodingbee . via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>>
> >>> I want to purchase and set up a 10tb RAID1 external hard drive
> >>> system.? (So that would be two 10tb hard drives mirroring each
> >>> other.)? Someone suggested that I get a QNAP Tr-002 system
> >>> (example:
> >>>
> https://www.newegg.com/qnap-tr-002-us/p/N82E16822099076?Description=qnap%20tr-002&cm_re=qnap_tr-002-_-22-099-076-_-Product&quicklink=true).
>
> >>> Does anyone know if that is a good system?? It is less expensive to
> >>> get two independent single 10tb external hard drives and use a
> >>> mirroring function available as part of Windows 10 to mirror the two
> >>> drives but someone advised me not to trust Windows 10 to do that.?
> >>> Also, I was thinking of getting SAS drives instead of NAS drives,
> >>> but that is apparently a different types of system and I don't know
> >>> much about that.? Any thoughts on these things?? Also, if I do get
> >>> NAS drives, which ones are best?? Thanks in advance.
> >>>
> >>> -Vincent
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> Hi Kimo, again I recommend learning just a bit about ZFS - how it is
> considered by many the ultimate file system with origins in Sun
> Microsystems but still being actively developed and refined in the open
> source world. It is behind many commercial products.
>
> The ease and reliability of local snapshotting has saved my butt many
> times over.
>
> It also makes it relative simple to do a send | receive of block changes
> to a remote off-site server for backups. The operating systems with zfs
> support usually include rsync which further expands your options...
>
> ZFS is part of FreeBSD [underlying FreeNAS], and can also be implemented
> in Linux [although I cannot attest to its ruggedness there]
>
> IRC channels are great resources for ZFS support (and FreeBSD also).
>
> Here's an interesting read:
> https://itsfoss.com/freebsd-interview-deb-goodkin/
>
> and
>
> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/zfs.html
>
> I've installed FreeBSD on a large variety of hardware and use zfs with
> it extensively ... FreeNAS (or NAS4Free) is there if one wants a more
> appliance-like experience...
>
> Last thing - exporting and importing of zfs pools means one can take,
> for example, a pair of mirrored disks making up a zpool - and move them
> to another piece of completely different hardware - do a zpool import -
> and bingo!, you're ready to roll!
>
> Hope this is helpful,
>
> -Roy
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> On 2/25/20 9:46 AM, B. Kimo Lee via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> > Hi HT,
> >
> > I?m also interested in a new local backup RAID system. A consultant I
> > work with suggested I look into Synology disk stations. Wondering
> > whether anyone has compared these two?
> >
> > Best,
> > Kimo
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:35 PM, explodingbee . via Hidden-discuss
> > <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> > <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> I want to purchase and set up a 10tb RAID1 external hard drive
> >> system.? (So that would be two 10tb hard drives mirroring each
> >> other.)? Someone suggested that I get a QNAP Tr-002 system (example:
> >>
> https://www.newegg.com/qnap-tr-002-us/p/N82E16822099076?Description=qnap%20tr-002&cm_re=qnap_tr-002-_-22-099-076-_-Product&quicklink=true).
>
> >> Does anyone know if that is a good system?? It is less expensive to
> >> get two independent single 10tb external hard drives and use a
> >> mirroring function available as part of Windows 10 to mirror the two
> >> drives but someone advised me not to trust Windows 10 to do that.?
> >> Also, I was thinking of getting SAS drives instead of NAS drives, but
> >> that is apparently a different types of system and I don't know much
> >> about that.? Any thoughts on these things?? Also, if I do get NAS
> >> drives, which ones are best?? Thanks in advance.
> >>
> >> -Vincent
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> Now for a totally different idea
>
> If you are into DIY -- explore a Rasperry PI based NAS
> There are variety of online detailed FAQ about how to build one.
>
> On quite review, they appear to be all based on using the 4 USB to
> connect the drives, which
> would effect the absolute speed -- but I've not looked further.
>
> Might be a good group project ;)
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