<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Thanks to everyone who responded to my query about a data storage system. Here are some comments in response:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Roy: I am open to using FreeNAS and ZFS. But I don't have the hardware yet. I think I should get the hardware first. I also really don't have time to make this into a big learning project. Also, I want a physical storage system, not a cloud based one.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Rich: You wrote: "<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"></span>If you are into DIY -- explore a Rasperry PI based NAS" I have never even heard of this before. If it is a DIY project it would probably take a lot of time, and I can't really afford that at this point.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Also, in another email you wrote:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;margin-left:40px">
"Also, as was just pointed out to me, that effects Drobo - evidently <br>
Drobo directly shipps units from China and are being effected by the <br>
Coronavirus -- no idea who else or for how long this will be an issue -- <br>
personally I'd pick the best unit for my needs and wait a bit."
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Unfortunately, I can't really wait. My laptop keyboard is all screwed up and I am using an onscreen keyboard to type. I need to get this storage system, get my data off and send out my laptop to MSI for repair.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Rob Laporte: Ok. You recommend Synology (in another email). I will look at/consider their units.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Thanks,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Vincent<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 5:47 PM <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss-request@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss-request@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Hidden-discuss mailing list submissions to<br>
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From: "Elijah Gwynn" <<a href="mailto:eli@egwynn.com" target="_blank">eli@egwynn.com</a>><br>
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+1 for BSD-based system. If you've got some unix savvy, it's relatively <br>
easy to set up FreeBSD with ZFS in various RAID configs. It's also great <br>
for running your own local services if you want to get more out of your <br>
hardware.<br>
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Eli<br>
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On 24 Feb 2020, at 16:38, Rich@OTN via Hidden-discuss wrote:<br>
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> we also used Openfiler <a href="https://www.openfiler.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openfiler.com/</a> on a system (since <br>
> 2011)<br>
> And it has worked fine - clearly an NAS<br>
><br>
> On 2/24/2020 3:03 PM, RA Cohen via Hidden-discuss wrote:<br>
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>> I would strongly suggest you investigate FreeNAS at <br>
>> <a href="https://www.freenas.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.freenas.org/</a><br>
>><br>
>> OR,<br>
>><br>
>> a small, properly configured BSD-based system with zfs storage pools <br>
>> would also be equivalent - it's just a matter of preference and <br>
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>> On 2/24/20 12:35 PM, explodingbee . via Hidden-discuss wrote:<br>
>>> Hi folks,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I want to purchase and set up a 10tb RAID1 external hard drive <br>
>>> system.? (So that would be two 10tb hard drives mirroring each <br>
>>> other.)? Someone suggested that I get a QNAP Tr-002 system <br>
>>> (example: <br>
>>> <a href="https://www.newegg.com/qnap-tr-002-us/p/N82E16822099076?Description=qnap%20tr-002&cm_re=qnap_tr-002-_-22-099-076-_-Product&quicklink=true" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.newegg.com/qnap-tr-002-us/p/N82E16822099076?Description=qnap%20tr-002&cm_re=qnap_tr-002-_-22-099-076-_-Product&quicklink=true</a>). <br>
>>> Does anyone know if that is a good system?? It is less expensive to <br>
>>> get two independent single 10tb external hard drives and use a <br>
>>> mirroring function available as part of Windows 10 to mirror the two <br>
>>> drives but someone advised me not to trust Windows 10 to do that.? <br>
>>> Also, I was thinking of getting SAS drives instead of NAS drives, <br>
>>> but that is apparently a different types of system and I don't know <br>
>>> much about that.? Any thoughts on these things?? Also, if I do get <br>
>>> NAS drives, which ones are best?? Thanks in advance.<br>
>>><br>
>>> -Vincent<br>
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Hi Kimo, again I recommend learning just a bit about ZFS - how it is <br>
considered by many the ultimate file system with origins in Sun <br>
Microsystems but still being actively developed and refined in the open <br>
source world. It is behind many commercial products.<br>
<br>
The ease and reliability of local snapshotting has saved my butt many <br>
times over.<br>
<br>
It also makes it relative simple to do a send | receive of block changes <br>
to a remote off-site server for backups. The operating systems with zfs <br>
support usually include rsync which further expands your options...<br>
<br>
ZFS is part of FreeBSD [underlying FreeNAS], and can also be implemented <br>
in Linux [although I cannot attest to its ruggedness there]<br>
<br>
IRC channels are great resources for ZFS support (and FreeBSD also).<br>
<br>
Here's an interesting read: <br>
<a href="https://itsfoss.com/freebsd-interview-deb-goodkin/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://itsfoss.com/freebsd-interview-deb-goodkin/</a><br>
<br>
and<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/zfs.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/zfs.html</a><br>
<br>
I've installed FreeBSD on a large variety of hardware and use zfs with <br>
it extensively ... FreeNAS (or NAS4Free) is there if one wants a more <br>
appliance-like experience...<br>
<br>
Last thing - exporting and importing of zfs pools means one can take, <br>
for example, a pair of mirrored disks making up a zpool - and move them <br>
to another piece of completely different hardware - do a zpool import - <br>
and bingo!, you're ready to roll!<br>
<br>
Hope this is helpful,<br>
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On 2/25/20 9:46 AM, B. Kimo Lee via Hidden-discuss wrote:<br>
> Hi HT,<br>
><br>
> I?m also interested in a new local backup RAID system. A consultant I <br>
> work with suggested I look into Synology disk stations. Wondering <br>
> whether anyone has compared these two?<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Kimo<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:35 PM, explodingbee . via Hidden-discuss <br>
> <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi folks,<br>
>><br>
>> I want to purchase and set up a 10tb RAID1 external hard drive <br>
>> system.? (So that would be two 10tb hard drives mirroring each <br>
>> other.)? Someone suggested that I get a QNAP Tr-002 system (example: <br>
>> <a href="https://www.newegg.com/qnap-tr-002-us/p/N82E16822099076?Description=qnap%20tr-002&cm_re=qnap_tr-002-_-22-099-076-_-Product&quicklink=true" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.newegg.com/qnap-tr-002-us/p/N82E16822099076?Description=qnap%20tr-002&cm_re=qnap_tr-002-_-22-099-076-_-Product&quicklink=true</a>). <br>
>> Does anyone know if that is a good system?? It is less expensive to <br>
>> get two independent single 10tb external hard drives and use a <br>
>> mirroring function available as part of Windows 10 to mirror the two <br>
>> drives but someone advised me not to trust Windows 10 to do that.? <br>
>> Also, I was thinking of getting SAS drives instead of NAS drives, but <br>
>> that is apparently a different types of system and I don't know much <br>
>> about that.? Any thoughts on these things?? Also, if I do get NAS <br>
>> drives, which ones are best?? Thanks in advance.<br>
>><br>
>> -Vincent<br>
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Now for a totally different idea<br>
<br>
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"></span>If you are into DIY -- explore a Rasperry PI based NAS<br>
There are variety of online detailed FAQ about how to build one.<br>
<br>
On quite review, they appear to be all based on using the 4 USB to <br>
connect the drives, which<br>
would effect the absolute speed -- but I've not looked further.<br>
<br>
Might be a good group project ;)<br>
<br>
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