[Hidden-tech] The Simple Logic of the Pandemic

Wed Apr 15 16:54:59 UTC 2020

Hi Rob,

I definitely agree with all your points, we won't know if there's an 
acceptable solution for quite some time in any case. The only real 
reason to flatten the curve is to prevent overload of medical resources 
and shortages of PPE (personal protective equipment) due to sheer 
numbers of people getting sick at a time, in order to have the time to 
ramp up production and distribution, and acquiring knowledge and skills 
that reduce mortality rates and long term damage to the lungs such as 
which drugs reduce symptoms and help the lungs and simple things like 
lying on your stomach. At some point, either most people will need to 
have gotten it (herd immunity) or we'll need a vaccine.

There are a number of things we can do to improve immune response both 
to keep from getting sick and to improve odds and rate of recovery. 
Here's some I know. There are lots of different opinions and conflicting 
research so this is just my take:

Lomatium dissectum (an herb in the parsley/carrot family) was used very 
successfully by Native Americans and people who took their lead, to keep 
from getting sick and reduce the symptoms during the Spanish Flu. Very 
good antiviral/antibacterial that is especially good for lung infections 
and tends to be very well tolerated, a few people get a rash from it 
which might actually be a die-off reaction.
http://chasblogspot.blogspot.com/2009/04/spanish-flu-of-1918-and-lomatium-root.html
Lomatium alcohol tincture is quite bitter, the glycerine tincture is 
much milder. It's very hard to find in stock right now but hopefully 
there will be more available soon.

Generally, supplementing vitamins and minerals you're deficient in can 
be helpful but overuse is not -- more is not better once you have what 
you need. And the best way to get your supplements is from food. Most of 
what you take in a multivitamin goes down the toilet, which is why it's 
almost impossible to get the levels of vitamins and minerals that people 
recommend from food. Studies have shown that organic foods have 
significantly higher levels of vitamins and minerals, however levels 
vary a lot depending on how the food is actually grown. High quality 
locally grown non-organic foods can compare well with organic and may 
actually have been grown pretty much organically, with minimal 
pesticides and healthy soil.

Vitamin D (2000 IU/day) is particularly helpful with lung infections, 
and most people have a deficiency especially when we aren't out in the sun:
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-coronavirus#effect-on-immune-health
>
> A recent review that included 11,321 people from 14 countries 
> demonstrated that supplementing with vitamin D decreased the risk of 
> acute respiratory infections (ARI) in both those who were deficient in 
> vitamin D and those with adequate levels.
>
> Overall, the study showed that vitamin D supplements reduced the risk 
> of developing at least one ARI by 12%. The protective effect was 
> strongest in those with low vitamin D levels
>
Zinc (30mg/day) and Vitamin C (1-2000 mg/day with supplements, natural 
sources less) are two nutritionals that are both antioxidants and also 
help boost the immune system. Foods rich in zinc are meat, shellfish, 
legumes, nuts and seeds, dairy, eggs and whole grains. Foods rich in 
vitamin C include broccoli, cantaloupe, cauliflower, kale, kiwi, orange 
juice, papaya, red, green or yellow pepper, sweet potato, strawberries, 
and tomatoes.
Probiotics (lactobacillus and bifidobacterium are the most common) help 
with gut health and are naturally antibiotic and antiviral.

There's many more but I think these are a good place to start.

Best,
Sam

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On 4/15/2020 9:01 AM, Rob Laporte via Hidden-discuss wrote:
> Hi HTers,
>
> I worry that, for a variety of reasons, ever more Americans can’t 
> perform simple reasoning. But maybe what’s seems so clear to me is 
> some kind of delusion. Sp I ask whether the following reasoning is sound.
>
>  1. Flattening the curve increases the time span until herd immunity
>     but not the percentage of the population needed for herd immunity.
>      1. The math on what's needed for herd immunity is quite simple as
>         math goes, depending on transmissibility, and standing now at
>         about 80%. Whatever this percentage is does not change the
>         login here.
>  2. Social distancing, masks, hand-washing, and the like flatten the
>     curve but won’t reduce the total area under the curve and above
>     the horizontal axis of time. That is, sooner or later, the same
>     quantity of people will ultimately contract Covid-19.
>  3. Even if 10% of the population has it now (and countries doing good
>     testing show nothing close to that yet), pre-pandemic behavior
>     would produce a flare up of occurrences nearly equal to past flare
>     ups. Of course the higher the percentage of the population that
>     becomes immune, the slower it spreads, but even at 25%, it would
>     spread fast. (A simple math matter for anyone qualified).
>  4. If, as more research is showing but not yet concluding, people
>     aren't immune after recovery, this cycle never ends--and vaccines
>     would not produce immunity either.
>      1. The math of x percent of recovered are immune for Y months is
>         also relatively simple math that enables planning.
>          1. Average duration of immunity after a recovery from a
>             coronaviruses is 48 months, according to one summary all
>             past studies.
>  5. Therefore, if a vaccine can't be made, return to the way things
>     were before he pandemic is not remotely possible ever.
>  6. If a successful, permanently effective vaccine can be made, only
>     after almost everyone has take it can things begin to return to
>     the way they were before the pandemic.
>
> Seems like solid reasoning to me. If it is, we'd best be planning for it.
>
> This is more speculative, but stands to reason: Regarding treatment 
> and outcomes, increasingly strong evidence shows that much of the 
> damage is done by +2 and +3 charged iron free radicals released when 
> the virus replaces iron in blood cells. Leave aside for the moment the 
> problem of blood carrying less oxygen. Strong free radical scavengers 
> would likely improve outcomes, perhaps substantially, because tissue 
> damage, usually mostly to the lungs, is a big contributor to grave 
> illness and death. Such has has been shown with vitamin C's positive 
> effects, but there are stronger antioxidants available over the 
> counter. This would mean that we don't need big pharma as much for 
> treatment, and that inexpensive and widely available supplements would 
> substantially reduce hospitalization rates. Since mainstream media 
> gets a huge percent of its revenue from big pharma, such news may be 
> slow to spread.
>
> Take Care,
>
>
> Rob Laporte
>
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