<div dir="ltr">Interesting proposal! I recommend some language adjustments to the proposal. : <div>(a) An alternative term to the term "job fair"</div><div>(b) An alternative to the term "holon" that is more commonly used </div><div>(c) Changes to this language to form more positive language: "<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:16px">It can often result in needing to compromise your moral principles and spend most of your time doing things in areas you are not passionate about. </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:16px"> </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:16px">Constantly needing to be judged and being told that you are not as good as someone else who got the job you wanted, puts a tremendous toll on your wellbeing and desire to interact with others.</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:16px"> </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:16px">On the other side, someone looking to hire the right person has to spend a considerable amount of time wading through tons of applicants before eventually arriving at someone you actually want to hire.</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:16px"> </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:16px">And if you have an ounce of empathy, constantly needing to turn people down because they are not the right fit feels horrible."</span></div><div><br></div><div>Also, there is a lot of knowledge to gain from talking to professionals in the worker cooperative and grocery cooperative industries. There is vast amounts of knowledge through some organizations and consultants associated with these industries. </div><div><br></div><div>Regards, An HR & Marketing Consultant <br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><b><font color="#45818e">Christine Dutton</font></b><div><b><font color="#45818e">Dutton Consulting </font></b></div><div><b><font color="#45818e">413-626-6377</font></b></div><div><b><img src="https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1Jsdf6oTPMr_ZMW7beJgoQYJBp9w6Y6es&export=download" width="200" height="66"><br></b></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:38 PM Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><span> </span>This
discussion of the
need to work for less than a fair wage got me thinking of an
idea I had a
while back. <span> </span>The idea
is a kind of 'jobs
fair' that would be open to anyone, and anyone who attended
would be either guaranteed
a job or funding for a startup.<span>
</span>The
amount of time that people spend competing for: first a
college degree, then a job,
then maybe funding for a business idea, is enormous.<span> </span>It can often result in
needing to compromise your
moral principles and spend most of your time doing things in
areas you are not passionate
about. <span> </span>Constantly
needing to be judged
and being told that you are not as good as someone else who
got the job you
wanted, puts a tremendous toll on your wellbeing and desire to
interact with
others.<span> </span>On the other
side, someone
looking to hire the right person has to spend a considerable
amount of time
wading through tons of applicants before eventually arriving
at someone you
actually want to hire.<span> </span>And
if you have an
ounce of empathy, constantly needing to turn people down
because they are not
the right fit feels horrible.</span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><span> </span>The
way I conceived of
the 'job fair' working would be in two stages.<span>
</span></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><span> </span>The
first stage would
be a sign up and stakeholder gathering phase. <span> </span>Job seekers would fill out
an online form
detailing their skills and interests and any ideas for
solutions to unsolved problems
they had.<span> </span>Employers
(worker coops and businesses
that agree to not throw their employees under the proverbial
bus if the job
does not work out) would sign up and agree to employ people to
work <i><span style="font-style:italic">with</span></i> them and not <i><span style="font-style:italic">for</span></i>
them.<span> </span>Business
investors and venture capitalists would
sign up and work on forming business ideas with people who do
not see an
existing role with any of the existing business that are
hiring.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><span> </span>Then
the second stage
would be the actual conference where everyone gets to know
each other and job
seekers and job fillers seek mutual skills and interests.<span> </span>The people who do not
have career goals and
skills in line with those being sought, and those with
business ideas they are
looking to actualize, would work with the business investors
and venture
capitalists. <span> </span>Together,
they would form
new worker cooperative businesses around the solutions
previously identified in
the first stage that everyone on the table can get behind.<span> </span>These cooperatives would
act as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holon_(philosophy)" target="_blank">holons</a>,
each independent
entities, but with the ability to utilize each other's
resources to some extent.<span> </span>There
would also be a buffer fund established
that all the cooperatives earning a positive income would
contribute to and
those needing a more income could draw from.<span>
</span>The way the investors would get compensated is that
they would be seen
as one of the cooperatives.<span> </span>If
the
investors want to withdraw some of their investment, their
financial balance
would be negative and therefore a proportion of the buffer
fund will go to
them.<span> </span>This siphoning
of money to an
investor will only continue until a previously agreed upon
return on investment
is achieved or the person invests more money back into the
system. <span> </span>Because the
contribution will only be a
portion of the <i><span style="font-style:italic">profit</span></i>, if
some or all
cooperatives are not earning a profit, they will not need to
contribute to the
buffer.<span> </span>Obviously
exact details will
need to be worked out when more people get involved, but that
is the general
way I am envisioning the financing working. <span> </span>It may also make sense to
involve colleges and
others in the education sphere.<span>
</span>They could
be seen as business investors. <span> </span>Although
they
may not be providing financial support, they can still provide
significant resources
and as a result have a share of the profit.<span>
</span>However, the exact nature of their compensation would
need to be figured
out because education is rarely easily quantifiable.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><span> </span>The
important point in
all this is that people are not competing – there would be the
explicit edict
that no one is left out and no one is forced to do things they
have no desire to
do (of course it may be necessary for some people to do
undesired tasks, but
these tasks should be for the purpose of fulfilling desired
goals).</span></font></p>
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span><span> </span>What do people
think of this idea
and is anyone interested in working on it with me?<span> </span>I would not be surprised if
we could get some
grant funding to get the ball rolling.</span></font>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>
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<div class="gmail-m_5639350802108266734moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-09-26 2:30 PM, Deborah Chandler
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<div class="gmail_default">Ha! Our replies came in at the same
time, Todd. Are you still involved with the Graphic Artists
Guild?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:56
PM Todd LeMieux <<a href="mailto:todd@toddlemieux.com" target="_blank">todd@toddlemieux.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div id="gmail-m_5639350802108266734gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont">Great
replies, and I completely agree. </div>
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<div id="gmail-m_5639350802108266734gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont">I
really haven’t seen this in any other industry outside of
creative services (designers, web developers,
photographers, musicians, etc) “contests” to get
essentially free work (and usually underpaid, for the
“winner”, if there is any payment involved). It’s just
plain wrong.</div>
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<div id="gmail-m_5639350802108266734gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont">Deb,
your point is a valid comparison. Imagine having a similar
contest for bookkeeping services, or for legal
representation? You get the point.</div>
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<div id="gmail-m_5639350802108266734gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont">Sincerely,</div>
<div id="gmail-m_5639350802108266734gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont">Todd</div>
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Hi Jessica,</div>
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<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">I
agree with Rich. If your business is a
profit-making business which
offers services to help people thrive, then
paying for graphic
design services are helping a qualified graphic
designer to
"thrive".</div>
<div class="gmail_default">
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">
What you have proposed is called "spec work",
where you are only
willing to pay for a "winning" design. This spec
work is frowned
upon in the graphic design industry. Imagine you
sit down at a
restaurant and you ask them to serve you 6
different dishes, you
try each one, and only pay for the one you found
tasty. You would
never do that. Not many professions deal
with this issue the
way creatives do. And the Graphic Artists Guild,
among others,
speak up about it, have worked on Pricing and
Ethical Guidelines
(PEGS) for just these types of issues, and
support their members as
they adhere to these industry guidelines. </div>
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<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">
You may be unaware of this issue, you may have
seen other people do
contests like this and thought it was okay to
do. But please be
aware that it is not accepted in our industry,
and I for one,
kindly request that you choose to hire a
qualified graphic designer
and negotiate fees that pay them a good rate for
their good work.
If you are not familiar with this hiring
process, how to choose a
qualified designer, I am sure there are many
folks here who can
help you out with that, and some will be willing
to quote on your
project and provide trusted advice on various
aspects of the
process through to completion. </div>
<div class="gmail_default">
<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">
Best on this project,</div>
<div class="gmail_default">
Deb</div>
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<span>Hi All,</span></p>
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<span>I'm running a design
contest</span> for the back and box of a
customized deck of
<i>Connection Cards</i>, which are used in a
program that helps
participants get to know new people, build
social connections, and
develop friendships. Each card has a
question that participants
answer as part of the program. There will be
a <span>$150 prize for the winning
design.</span> You may email <a href="mailto:jessica@growingwellness.life" target="_blank">jessica@growingwellness.life</a>
for entry guidelines.
Please pass along to anyone who may be
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