<div dir="ltr">Interesting proposal! I recommend some language adjustments to the proposal. : <div>(a) An alternative term to the term "job fair"</div><div>(b)  An alternative to the term "holon" that is more commonly used </div><div>(c) Changes to this language to form more positive language: "<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:16px">It can often result in needing to compromise your moral principles and spend most of your time doing things in areas you are not passionate about. </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:16px"> </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:16px">Constantly needing to be judged and being told that you are not as good as someone else who got the job you wanted, puts a tremendous toll on your wellbeing and desire to interact with others.</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:16px">  </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:16px">On the other side, someone looking to hire the right person has to spend a considerable amount of time wading through tons of applicants before eventually arriving at someone you actually want to hire.</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:16px">  </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:16px">And if you have an ounce of empathy, constantly needing to turn people down because they are not the right fit feels horrible."</span></div><div><br></div><div>Also, there is a lot of knowledge to gain from talking to professionals in the worker cooperative and grocery cooperative industries. There is vast amounts of knowledge through some organizations and consultants associated with these industries. </div><div><br></div><div>Regards, An HR & Marketing Consultant <br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><b><font color="#45818e">Christine Dutton</font></b><div><b><font color="#45818e">Dutton Consulting </font></b></div><div><b><font color="#45818e">413-626-6377</font></b></div><div><b><img src="https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1Jsdf6oTPMr_ZMW7beJgoQYJBp9w6Y6es&export=download" width="200" height="66"><br></b></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:38 PM Aaron E-J via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><span>            </span>This
          discussion of the
          need to work for less than a fair wage got me thinking of an
          idea I had a
          while back. <span> </span>The idea
          is a kind of 'jobs
          fair' that would be open to anyone, and anyone who attended
          would be either guaranteed
          a job or funding for a startup.<span> 
          </span>The
          amount of time that people spend competing for: first a
          college degree, then a job,
          then maybe funding for a business idea, is enormous.<span>  </span>It can often result in
          needing to compromise your
          moral principles and spend most of your time doing things in
          areas you are not passionate
          about. <span> </span>Constantly
          needing to be judged
          and being told that you are not as good as someone else who
          got the job you
          wanted, puts a tremendous toll on your wellbeing and desire to
          interact with
          others.<span>  </span>On the other
          side, someone
          looking to hire the right person has to spend a considerable
          amount of time
          wading through tons of applicants before eventually arriving
          at someone you
          actually want to hire.<span>  </span>And
          if you have an
          ounce of empathy, constantly needing to turn people down
          because they are not
          the right fit feels horrible.</span></font>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><span>            </span>The
          way I conceived of
          the 'job fair' working would be in two stages.<span> 
          </span></span></font></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><span>            </span>The
          first stage would
          be a sign up and stakeholder gathering phase. <span> </span>Job seekers would fill out
          an online form
          detailing their skills and interests and any ideas for
          solutions to unsolved problems
          they had.<span>  </span>Employers
          (worker coops and businesses
          that agree to not throw their employees under the proverbial
          bus if the job
          does not work out) would sign up and agree to employ people to
          work <i><span style="font-style:italic">with</span></i> them and not <i><span style="font-style:italic">for</span></i>
          them.<span>  </span>Business
          investors and venture capitalists would
          sign up and work on forming business ideas with people who do
          not see an
          existing role with any of the existing business that are
          hiring.</span></font></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><span>            </span>Then
          the second stage
          would be the actual conference where everyone gets to know
          each other and job
          seekers and job fillers seek mutual skills and interests.<span>  </span>The people who do not
          have career goals and
          skills in line with those being sought, and those with
          business ideas they are
          looking to actualize, would work with the business investors
          and venture
          capitalists. <span> </span>Together,
          they would form
          new worker cooperative businesses around the solutions
          previously identified in
          the first stage that everyone on the table can get behind.<span>  </span>These cooperatives would
          act as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holon_(philosophy)" target="_blank">holons</a>,
          each independent
          entities, but with the ability to utilize each other's
          resources to some extent.<span>  </span>There
          would also be a buffer fund established
          that all the cooperatives earning a positive income would
          contribute to and
          those needing a more income could draw from.<span> 
          </span>The way the investors would get compensated is that
          they would be seen
          as one of the cooperatives.<span>  </span>If
          the
          investors want to withdraw some of their investment, their
          financial balance
          would be negative and therefore a proportion of the buffer
          fund will go to
          them.<span>  </span>This siphoning
          of money to an
          investor will only continue until a previously agreed upon
          return on investment
          is achieved or the person invests more money back into the
          system. <span> </span>Because the
          contribution will only be a
          portion of the <i><span style="font-style:italic">profit</span></i>, if
          some or all
          cooperatives are not earning a profit, they will not need to
          contribute to the
          buffer.<span>  </span>Obviously
          exact details will
          need to be worked out when more people get involved, but that
          is the general
          way I am envisioning the financing working. <span> </span>It may also make sense to
          involve colleges and
          others in the education sphere.<span> 
          </span>They could
          be seen as business investors. <span> </span>Although
          they
          may not be providing financial support, they can still provide
          significant resources
          and as a result have a share of the profit.<span> 
          </span>However, the exact nature of their compensation would
          need to be figured
          out because education is rarely easily quantifiable.</span></font></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><span>            </span>The
          important point in
          all this is that people are not competing – there would be the
          explicit edict
          that no one is left out and no one is forced to do things they
          have no desire to
          do (of course it may be necessary for some people to do
          undesired tasks, but
          these tasks should be for the purpose of fulfilling desired
          goals).</span></font></p>
    <font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span><span>            </span>What do people
        think of this idea
        and is anyone interested in working on it with me?<span>  </span>I would not be surprised if
        we could get some
        grant funding to get the ball rolling.</span></font>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>
        </span></font></p>
    
    <pre class="gmail-m_5639350802108266734moz-signature" cols="72">Aaron E-J
The Other Realm LLC
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<a class="gmail-m_5639350802108266734moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://theotherrealm.org" target="_blank">http://theotherrealm.org</a> (Blog)</pre>
    <div class="gmail-m_5639350802108266734moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-09-26 2:30 PM, Deborah Chandler
      via Hidden-discuss wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_default">Ha! Our replies came in at the same
          time, Todd. Are you still involved with the Graphic Artists
          Guild?</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default">Deb</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:56
          PM Todd LeMieux <<a href="mailto:todd@toddlemieux.com" target="_blank">todd@toddlemieux.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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        <blockquote class="gmail_quote">
          <div>
            <div id="gmail-m_5639350802108266734gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont">Great
              replies, and I completely agree. </div>
            <div id="gmail-m_5639350802108266734gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont"><br>
            </div>
            <div id="gmail-m_5639350802108266734gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont">I
              really haven’t seen this in any other industry outside of
              creative services (designers, web developers,
              photographers, musicians, etc) “contests” to get
              essentially free work (and usually underpaid, for the
              “winner”, if there is any payment involved). It’s just
              plain wrong.</div>
            <div id="gmail-m_5639350802108266734gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont"><br>
            </div>
            <div id="gmail-m_5639350802108266734gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont">Deb,
              your point is a valid comparison. Imagine having a similar
              contest for bookkeeping services, or for legal
              representation? You get the point.</div>
            <div id="gmail-m_5639350802108266734gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont"><br>
            </div>
            <div id="gmail-m_5639350802108266734gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont">Sincerely,</div>
            <div id="gmail-m_5639350802108266734gmail-m_6408156797910086988bloop_customfont">Todd</div>
            <br>
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              <p>-------------------</p>
              <p>Todd M. LeMieux<br>
                413.237.6869<br>
                [Graphic Design + Creative Direction]<br>
                <br>
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                  Will Prevail.™</a></p>
            </div>
            <br>
            <p>On September 26, 2019 at 1:43:29 PM, Deborah Chandler via
              Hidden-discuss (<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>)
              wrote:</p>
            <blockquote type="cite"><span>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div class="gmail_default">
                        Hi Jessica,</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">I
                        agree with Rich. If your business is a
                        profit-making business which
                        offers services to help people thrive, then
                        paying for graphic
                        design services are helping a qualified graphic
                        designer to
                        "thrive".</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">
                        What you have proposed is called "spec work",
                        where you are only
                        willing to pay for a "winning" design. This spec
                        work is frowned
                        upon in the graphic design industry. Imagine you
                        sit down at a
                        restaurant and you ask them to serve you 6
                        different dishes, you
                        try each one, and only pay for the one you found
                        tasty. You would
                        never do that. Not many professions deal
                        with this issue the
                        way creatives do. And the Graphic Artists Guild,
                        among others,
                        speak up about it, have worked on Pricing and
                        Ethical Guidelines
                        (PEGS) for just these types of issues, and
                        support their members as
                        they adhere to these industry guidelines. </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">
                        You may be unaware of this issue, you may have
                        seen other people do
                        contests like this and thought it was okay to
                        do. But please be
                        aware that it is not accepted in our industry,
                        and I for one,
                        kindly request that you choose to hire a
                        qualified graphic designer
                        and negotiate fees that pay them a good rate for
                        their good work.
                        If you are not familiar with this hiring
                        process, how to choose a
                        qualified designer, I am sure there are many
                        folks here who can
                        help you out with that, and some will be willing
                        to quote on your
                        project and provide trusted advice on various
                        aspects of the
                        process through to completion. </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">
                        Best on this project,</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">
                        Deb</div>
                    </div>
                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 20,
                        2019 at 8:27 AM
                        Jessica Gifford via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote">
                        <div dir="ltr">
                          <p class="MsoNormal">
                            <span>Hi All,</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">
                            <span>I'm running a design
                              contest</span> for the back and box of a
                            customized deck of
                            <i>Connection Cards</i>, which are used in a
                            program that helps
                            participants get to know new people, build
                            social connections, and
                            develop friendships. Each card has a
                            question that participants
                            answer as part of the program. There will be
                            a <span>$150 prize for the winning
                              design.</span> You may email <a href="mailto:jessica@growingwellness.life" target="_blank">jessica@growingwellness.life</a>
                            for entry guidelines.
                            Please pass along to anyone who may be
                            interested.</p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">
                            Thanks!<br>
                            Jessica<br>
                          </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">
                            <br>
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                                      <span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span>Jessica
                                                          Gifford, LICSW<span><span><span><br>
<a class="gmail-m_5639350802108266734moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.growingwellness.life" target="_blank">www.growingwellness.life</a></span></span></span><br>
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