[Hidden-tech] Question Regarding Consulting

Glenn Johnson mrglenn2u at gmail.com
Mon Nov 20 11:17:28 EST 2017


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On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Christine Dutton <cgdutton7 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> These are exactly some of the things I've been thinking. We will finalize
> our decision after seeking legal advisement. Thank you!
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Don Lesser <dlesser at ptraining.com> wrote:
>
>> I have always found the language of “not closely supervised” as a
>> standard for contractors to be stupid. If I hire a contractor to rebuild a
>> bathroom or teach a particular class or to program a specific module, I
>> have defined the job. I don’t want a new living room, a different class, or
>> a phone app instead of an SQL database. So I am telling the contractor what
>> to do which seems in conflict with the rules. I don’t tell a carpenter
>> which hammer to use or how to install a stud. I do tell a trainer what
>> materials to use, which examples to use, and my standards for professional
>> behavior. I do tell a consultant to use the development platform the client
>> uses since no client will, for example, allow us to use MS Access instead
>> of Crystal Reports, which they use for all other reporting.
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, informally, if you hire a contractor, train them in your
>> materials, and then let them teach it, it seems you have enough of a
>> hands-off relationship for a 1099. Most of the contracting agencies I know
>> of, however, have gone to a W2 without benefits because it protects them.
>> The exception is if the contractor has a corporation. (Not sure about LLCs,
>> partnerships, etc.) In this case, the agencies are OK paying the
>> corporation and letting the contractor take care of taxes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another potential issue is that all contractors are required to have
>> Workman’s Comp insurance for themselves. As a corporation, I have been
>> required to pay for Workman’s Comp insurance for all my contractors just as
>> though they were employees. Only one contractor I know of actually has WC
>> insurance. I am not addressing telling untruths to your insurance agency.
>> That is between you and them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Decide what will let you sleep better and check with your accountant to
>> be sure.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don Lesser
>>
>> Pioneer Training, Inc.
>>
>> 139B Damon Road, Ste 8
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=139B+Damon+Road,+Ste+8+Northampton,+MA+01060+(413&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> Northampton, MA 01060
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=139B+Damon+Road,+Ste+8+Northampton,+MA+01060+(413&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> (413) 387-1040
>>
>> dlesser at ptraining.com
>>
>> www.ptraining.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net [mailto:
>> hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net] *On Behalf Of *Christine
>> Dutton
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 20, 2017 7:50 AM
>> *To:* Christine Dutton <cgdutton7 at gmail.com>; Hidden-Tech Listserv <
>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
>> *Subject:* [Hidden-tech] Question Regarding Consulting
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Hidden Tech Folks!
>>
>> I have a question regarding consulting status with organizations. I have
>> a client who is forming their business with a focus on delivering diversity
>> workshops. The client would like to work with consultants, but the
>> consultants will be required to train on workshop delivery. Beyond the
>> training, the trainers will not be closely supervised. Please let me know
>> if you have worked as a consultant for an organization with this type of
>> arrangement. It would be great if you could share the name of the
>> organization you were working with. My goal is to ensure that the
>> consultancy arrangement is designed within legal requirements.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Christine
>>
>
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