[Hidden-tech] 'SEO Marketing sales pitches': scams or what?
Robert Heller
heller at deepsoft.com
Sun Aug 24 19:04:55 EDT 2014
At Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:44:37 -0400 Bram Moreinis <bram at gamefacewebdesign.com> wrote:
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> Hey, Robert. <br>
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> Well....it's not a scam, IF you want to have your listing show up
> higher on Google. The white hat way of doing that is negotiating
> good backlinks on reputable places (e.g. generating articles, adding
> listings) and having a clear strategy about anchor text, landing
> pages, on-page SEO, etc. etc.<br>
The thing is, *I* can (and have been) doing all that myself. It seems
excessing to pay $300-500 month for that. It *appears* the for the most part,
the people contacting and offing services like that are mostly of the black
hat flavor. And in fact my site already appears reasonably high using
*reasonable* (for me) keywords.
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> The black hat way is to hijack a bunch of sites and build pages on
> them that link to the client's site. For example, one of my Drupal
> clients (Drupal 5, from way back) turned his User settings to allow
> other people to create accounts without telling me. As a result,
> there were over 1000 users, each with their own "profile page" upon
> which they could write anything, and which would be indexed by
> Google robots. <br>
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> There were no links to these profile pages from the public site, so
> no way for my client to discover it was happening, unless he Googled
> himself: site:redhookcurryhouse.com<br>
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> I deleted all users, deleted all profile content, turned back to
> change the user settings (I know, that was in the wrong order), and
> discovered that in 2 minutes 5 new users with profiles had been
> created. All done with automation. Very clever! <br>
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> I'm punishing him by making it a flat HTML site (if he wants it to
> be Drupal again, he has to pay for a Drupal 7 upgrade. <br>
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> So, my short answer:Â Black Hat SEO works fine, and is worth the
> money if you need to go that route. <br>
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> -Bram<br>
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> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/23/2014 10:43 AM, Robert Heller
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> <pre wrap=""> ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area.
> ** If you did, we all thank you.
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> I've been getting sales pitches from SEO Marketing companies, both via
> telephone (Robot calls mostly) and via E-Mail (and via my contact page on my
> website). All with more or less the same basic pitch: "We can place you the
> first page of Google searches..." or some variation on that theme.
>
> These companies charge something like $300-$500 / month (which is way outside
> what I could afford).
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> What *exactly* are these companies really doing (other than looking to pocket
> a pile of *my* cash)? Some claim to be using a propriatory system -- whatever
> that means.
>
> Note if I do a search for "Linux Administration North Quabbin" *my* website
> shows up as the first and second results (at least with duckduckgo), so my
> website can't be that bad as it is. I do get some business, maybe not vast
> amounts, but I am not sure I could handle vast amounts of work anyway -- I am
> a one-man operation and there are only so many hours in the day. I would need
> to get more work than I could handle to cover the $300-$500 / month anyway --
> that is I would end up becoming a cash cow *for the SEO Marketing company* and
> my net income would not be much more than it currently is! What would be the
> point of that?
>
> Most of the pitches say that my website is not findable, but somehow these SEO
> Marketing companies have found my website (is it a chicken or an egg?). What
> are they doing: doing a search and then working backwards from the *last* page
> of results? Or are they really finding my site easily enough and thinking
> 'this might be an easy mark', since I might not be at the top of all of the
> search results (or the search results for the searches they are doing). I
> wonder: maybe my website is really good in that it looks like a bigger company
> than I really am?
>
> Is this some sort of scam or what? It has all of the look and feel of a scam,
> much like the credit card robot calls, which start with "This is your final
> wanring about your credit card..." (and I *don't* have a credit card!).
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> <div align="left"><span class="style2">Bram Moreinis,
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