[Hidden-tech] 'SEO Marketing sales pitches': scams or what?

Michael Oberther moberther at gmail.com
Sun Aug 24 19:56:42 EDT 2014


Im not going to try to answer your question, but I have a solution.

Rob Laporte

President, DISC, Inc.

413-584-6500


Great guy, local and had been in the SEO game for a very long time. I have
asked around about him because Im looking for a good SEO partner and he has
gotten glowing reviews both for integrity and skill.

Thanks,



Michael Oberther

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Moberther at gmail.com
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Bram Moreinis <bram at gamefacewebdesign.com>
wrote:

>    ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area.
>    ** If you did, we all thank you.
>
>
>
>  Hey, Robert.
>
> Well....it's not a scam, IF you want to have your listing show up higher
> on Google.  The white hat way of doing that is negotiating good backlinks
> on reputable places (e.g. generating articles, adding listings) and having
> a clear strategy about anchor text, landing pages, on-page SEO, etc. etc.
>
> The black hat way is to hijack a bunch of sites and build pages on them
> that link to the client's site.  For example, one of my Drupal clients
> (Drupal 5, from way back) turned his User settings to allow other people to
> create accounts without telling me.  As a result, there were over 1000
> users, each with their own "profile page" upon which they could write
> anything, and which would be indexed by Google robots.
>
> There were no links to these profile pages from the public site, so no way
> for my client to discover it was happening, unless he Googled himself: site:
> redhookcurryhouse.com
>
> I deleted all users, deleted all profile content, turned back to change
> the user settings (I know, that was in the wrong order), and discovered
> that in 2 minutes 5 new users with profiles had been created.  All done
> with automation.  Very clever!
>
> I'm punishing him by making it a flat HTML site (if he wants it to be
> Drupal again, he has to pay for a Drupal 7 upgrade.
>
> So, my short answer:  Black Hat SEO works fine, and is worth the money if
> you need to go that route.
>
> -Bram
>
> On 8/23/2014 10:43 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
>
>    ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area.
>    ** If you did, we all thank you.
>
>
> I've been getting sales pitches from SEO Marketing companies, both via
> telephone (Robot calls mostly) and via E-Mail (and via my contact page on my
> website). All with more or less the same basic pitch: "We can place you the
> first page of Google searches..." or some variation on that theme.
>
> These companies charge something like $300-$500 / month (which is way outside
> what I could afford).
>
> What *exactly* are these companies really doing (other than looking to pocket
> a pile of *my* cash)?  Some claim to be using a propriatory system -- whatever
> that means.
>
> Note if I do a search for "Linux Administration North Quabbin" *my* website
> shows up as the first and second results (at least with duckduckgo), so my
> website can't be that bad as it is. I do get some business, maybe not vast
> amounts, but I am not sure I could handle vast amounts of work anyway -- I am
> a one-man operation and there are only so many hours in the day.  I would need
> to get more work than I could handle to cover the $300-$500 / month anyway --
> that is I would end up becoming a cash cow *for the SEO Marketing company* and
> my net income would not be much more than it currently is!  What would be the
> point of that?
>
> Most of the pitches say that my website is not findable, but somehow these SEO
> Marketing companies have found my website (is it a chicken or an egg?). What
> are they doing: doing a search and then working backwards from the *last* page
> of results? Or are they really finding my site easily enough and thinking
> 'this might be an easy mark', since I might not be at the top of all of the
> search results (or the search results for the searches they are doing).  I
> wonder: maybe my website is really good in that it looks like a bigger company
> than I really am?
>
> Is this some sort of scam or what?  It has all of the look and feel of a scam,
> much like the credit card robot calls, which start with "This is your final
> wanring about your credit card..." (and I *don't* have a credit card!).
>
>
>
> --
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>  Bram Moreinis, Principal
> http://www.gamefacewebdesign.com
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