[Hidden-tech] Municipal Broadband in Northampton--not WiFi
Seth Fischer
shfischer at gmail.com
Mon Dec 2 11:37:27 EST 2013
I'll reach out to Wired West. They may be a great resource, but their focus
has been on helping underserved communities.
Thanks for all of the great comments and feedback.
Seth
On Dec 2, 2013 11:28 AM, "Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography" <
tomadams at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Robert,
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> I'd really second the idea of you getting connected with Wired West. This
> is a huge task you're considering and there's no reason for you to try and
> reinvent the wheel. Wired West is attempting to do exactly what you're
> hoping to do (among other things)... and they've been at it for a few years
> now...
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> -t
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> On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Robert Heller <heller at deepsoft.com> wrote:
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>> At Mon, 2 Dec 2013 06:34:40 -0500 Patrick Foley <pfoley at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > ---Executing: recode
>> > All of wifi's problems are solved with repeaters. This, of course, will
>> > introduce latency but you can solve that with multiple hard lines.
>> > Blanketing downtown Northampton with a decent wifi signal is completely
>> > possible, the issue is actually powering the repeaters... and it could
>> even
>> > be reliably streaming-video-fast, depending on how we'd support older
>> > 802.11 tech.
>> >
>> > I agree with the original email though, Northampton is ideal for a
>> > municipal running of fiber. It might run into trouble, depending on the
>> > contracts that the city has with Comcast/Verizon and possibly against
>> state
>> > law. This sort of thing has been fought before in other states.
>>
>> Mass. DOES NOT have a law banning municipal / govenerment owned telecom
>> services. *Verizon* has managed to get laws passed in *some* states
>> banning
>> municipal / govenerment owned telecom services, in order to *protect* its
>> monopoly.
>>
>> >
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>> > WiFi has multiple problems:
>> >
>> > 1. The transmit power is limited by the FCC Rules & Regs. Max is 1 watt.
>> > Worse is that there are no WiFi units that are designed to operate near
>> > this power level.
>> >
>> > As an aside, never be 'cute' and tell your wireless router you are in
>> > Europe. That setting automatically reduces the output power level to
>> > conform with EU rules.
>> >
>> > 2. The amount of antenna gain that can be had is also limited.
>> >
>> > 3. Any increase is WiFi bandwidth form 802.11b reduces signal range.
>> Sorry
>> > but even the FCC can not change physics.
>> >
>> > I think you will find that the best that WiFi can do is a lot less than
>> all
>> > downtown 'Hamp.
>> >
>> > 4. Then there is 802.11a. That is a higher frequency, 4 watt max,
>> "campus"
>> > system. I don't even see that system doing anything close to all
>> downtown.
>> >
>> > Jim Ussailis
>> >
>> > Original email:
>> > -----------------
>> > From: Fateh Slavitskaya fateh at urchn.org
>> > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:22:18 -0500
>> > To: palwilliams at northamptontv.org, hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>> > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Municipal Broadband in Northampton
>> >
>> > ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's
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>> > Big diff between muni broadband and muni wifi. Having both would be
>> > great, if the wifi could actually work. -F
>> >
>> > On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 18:24 -0500, Al Williams wrote:
>> > > ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's
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>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Quite a few municipal Wi-Fi experiments have been troubled - see
>> > > Portland, OR. Shrewsbury offers municipal hard line system.
>> > >
>> > > On Nov 29, 2013 6:13 PM, "Shel Horowitz, Ethical/Green Marketing
>> > > Expert" <shel at principledprofit.com> wrote:
>> > > ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the
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>> > >
>> > > Amherst has town wi-fi--might be good to talk to someone over
>> > > there.
>> > > Though frankly, I have had very poor experience trying to log
>> > > on to
>> > > the town wi-fi network from e.g., Amherst Coffee.
>> > >
>> > > At 1:08 PM -0500 11/29/13, Seth Fischer wrote:
>> > > > ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the
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>> > > >
>> > > >Hello All,
>> > > >
>> > > >I am interested in promoting the idea of Municipal (offered)
>> > > >Broadband in Northampton. Comcast is simply too expensive and
>> > > low
>> > > >speed for the citizens and businesses in Northampton. I
>> > > believe
>> > > >Municipal Broadband would help the residents, as well as make
>> > > the
>> > > >City more appealing to businesses.
>> > > >
>> > > >I believe Northampton is an idea location, as such as large
>> > > percent
>> > > >of the population is within 1 mile of downtown.
>> > > >
>> > > >I have spoken with a City Councillor who expressed
>> > > significant
>> > > >interest in (at least) exploring the idea.
>> > > >
>> > > >Does anyone know any of the issues related to a Municipal
>> > > Broadband
>> > > >initiative?
>> > > >
>> > > >Thanks,
>> > > >
>> > > >Seth Fischer
>> > > >
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