[Hidden-tech] Municipal Broadband in Northampton--not WiFi

Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography tomadams at gmail.com
Mon Dec 2 08:42:08 EST 2013


Robert,

I'd really second the idea of you getting connected with Wired West. This
is a huge task you're considering and there's no reason for you to try and
reinvent the wheel. Wired West is attempting to do exactly what you're
hoping to do (among other things)... and they've been at it for a few years
now...

-t




On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Robert Heller <heller at deepsoft.com> wrote:

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> At Mon, 2 Dec 2013 06:34:40 -0500 Patrick Foley <pfoley at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > ---Executing: recode
> > All of wifi's problems are solved with repeaters. This, of course, will
> > introduce latency but you can solve that with multiple hard lines.
> > Blanketing downtown Northampton with a decent wifi signal is completely
> > possible, the issue is actually powering the repeaters... and it could
> even
> > be reliably streaming-video-fast, depending on how we'd support older
> > 802.11 tech.
> >
> > I agree with the original email though, Northampton is ideal for a
> > municipal running of fiber. It might run into trouble, depending on the
> > contracts that the city has with Comcast/Verizon and possibly against
> state
> > law. This sort of thing has been fought before in other states.
>
> Mass. DOES NOT have a law banning municipal / govenerment owned telecom
> services.  *Verizon* has managed to get laws passed in *some* states
> banning
> municipal / govenerment owned telecom services, in order to *protect* its
> monopoly.
>
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> > WiFi has multiple problems:
> >
> > 1. The transmit power is limited by the FCC Rules & Regs. Max is 1 watt.
> > Worse is that there are no WiFi units that are designed to operate near
> > this power level.
> >
> > As an aside, never be 'cute' and tell your wireless router you are in
> > Europe. That setting automatically reduces the output power level to
> > conform with EU rules.
> >
> > 2. The amount of antenna gain that can be had is also limited.
> >
> > 3. Any increase is WiFi bandwidth form 802.11b reduces signal range.
> Sorry
> > but even the FCC can not change physics.
> >
> > I think you will find that the best that WiFi can do is a lot less than
> all
> > downtown 'Hamp.
> >
> > 4. Then there is 802.11a. That is a higher frequency, 4 watt max,
> "campus"
> > system. I don't even see that system doing anything close to all
> downtown.
> >
> > Jim Ussailis
> >
> > Original email:
> > -----------------
> > From: Fateh Slavitskaya fateh at urchn.org
> > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:22:18 -0500
> > To: palwilliams at northamptontv.org, hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Municipal Broadband in Northampton
> >
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> > Big diff between muni broadband and muni wifi. Having both would be
> > great, if the wifi could actually work. -F
> >
> > On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 18:24 -0500, Al Williams wrote:
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> > > Quite a few municipal Wi-Fi experiments have been troubled - see
> > > Portland, OR. Shrewsbury offers municipal hard line system.
> > >
> > > On Nov 29, 2013 6:13 PM, "Shel Horowitz, Ethical/Green Marketing
> > > Expert" <shel at principledprofit.com> wrote:
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> > >
> > >         Amherst has town wi-fi--might be good to talk to someone over
> > >         there.
> > >         Though frankly, I have had very poor experience trying to log
> > >         on to
> > >         the town wi-fi network from e.g., Amherst Coffee.
> > >
> > >         At 1:08 PM -0500 11/29/13, Seth Fischer wrote:
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> > >         >
> > >         >Hello All,
> > >         >
> > >         >I am interested in promoting the idea of Municipal (offered)
> > >         >Broadband in Northampton. Comcast is simply too expensive and
> > >         low
> > >         >speed for the citizens and businesses in Northampton. I
> > >         believe
> > >         >Municipal Broadband would help the residents, as well as make
> > >         the
> > >         >City more appealing to businesses.
> > >         >
> > >         >I believe Northampton is an idea location, as such as large
> > >         percent
> > >         >of the population is within 1 mile of downtown.
> > >         >
> > >         >I have spoken with a City Councillor who expressed
> > >         significant
> > >         >interest in (at least) exploring the idea.
> > >         >
> > >         >Does anyone know any of the issues related to a Municipal
> > >         Broadband
> > >         >initiative?
> > >         >
> > >         >Thanks,
> > >         >
> > >         >Seth Fischer
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