[Hidden-tech] Municipal Broadband in Northampton--not WiFi
Robert Heller
heller at deepsoft.com
Mon Dec 2 11:49:54 EST 2013
At Mon, 2 Dec 2013 11:37:27 -0500 Seth Fischer <shfischer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> ---Executing: recode
> I'll reach out to Wired West. They may be a great resource, but their focus
> has been on helping underserved communities.
Yes, the *primary* focus is underserved communities, but getting affordable
fiber-to-the-home is their ultimate focus, so they are still a resource for
you.
>
> Thanks for all of the great comments and feedback.
>
> Seth
> On Dec 2, 2013 11:28 AM, "Tom Adams ~ Reelife Productions & Folktography" <
> tomadams at gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> >
> >
> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > I'd really second the idea of you getting connected with Wired West. This
> > is a huge task you're considering and there's no reason for you to try and
> > reinvent the wheel. Wired West is attempting to do exactly what you're
> > hoping to do (among other things)... and they've been at it for a few years
> > now...
> >
> > -t
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Robert Heller <heller at deepsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's
> >> area.
> >> ** If you did, we all thank you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At Mon, 2 Dec 2013 06:34:40 -0500 Patrick Foley <pfoley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
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> >> > ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's
> >> area.
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ---Executing: recode
> >> > All of wifi's problems are solved with repeaters. This, of course, will
> >> > introduce latency but you can solve that with multiple hard lines.
> >> > Blanketing downtown Northampton with a decent wifi signal is completely
> >> > possible, the issue is actually powering the repeaters... and it could
> >> even
> >> > be reliably streaming-video-fast, depending on how we'd support older
> >> > 802.11 tech.
> >> >
> >> > I agree with the original email though, Northampton is ideal for a
> >> > municipal running of fiber. It might run into trouble, depending on the
> >> > contracts that the city has with Comcast/Verizon and possibly against
> >> state
> >> > law. This sort of thing has been fought before in other states.
> >>
> >> Mass. DOES NOT have a law banning municipal / govenerment owned telecom
> >> services. *Verizon* has managed to get laws passed in *some* states
> >> banning
> >> municipal / govenerment owned telecom services, in order to *protect* its
> >> monopoly.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's
> >> area.
> >> > ** If you did, we all thank you.
> >> >
> >> > WiFi has multiple problems:
> >> >
> >> > 1. The transmit power is limited by the FCC Rules & Regs. Max is 1 watt.
> >> > Worse is that there are no WiFi units that are designed to operate near
> >> > this power level.
> >> >
> >> > As an aside, never be 'cute' and tell your wireless router you are in
> >> > Europe. That setting automatically reduces the output power level to
> >> > conform with EU rules.
> >> >
> >> > 2. The amount of antenna gain that can be had is also limited.
> >> >
> >> > 3. Any increase is WiFi bandwidth form 802.11b reduces signal range.
> >> Sorry
> >> > but even the FCC can not change physics.
> >> >
> >> > I think you will find that the best that WiFi can do is a lot less than
> >> all
> >> > downtown 'Hamp.
> >> >
> >> > 4. Then there is 802.11a. That is a higher frequency, 4 watt max,
> >> "campus"
> >> > system. I don't even see that system doing anything close to all
> >> downtown.
> >> >
> >> > Jim Ussailis
> >> >
> >> > Original email:
> >> > -----------------
> >> > From: Fateh Slavitskaya fateh at urchn.org
> >> > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:22:18 -0500
> >> > To: palwilliams at northamptontv.org, hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> >> > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Municipal Broadband in Northampton
> >> >
> >> > ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's
> >> area.
> >> > ** If you did, we all thank you.
> >> >
> >> > Big diff between muni broadband and muni wifi. Having both would be
> >> > great, if the wifi could actually work. -F
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 18:24 -0500, Al Williams wrote:
> >> > > ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's
> >> > area.
> >> > > ** If you did, we all thank you.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Quite a few municipal Wi-Fi experiments have been troubled - see
> >> > > Portland, OR. Shrewsbury offers municipal hard line system.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Nov 29, 2013 6:13 PM, "Shel Horowitz, Ethical/Green Marketing
> >> > > Expert" <shel at principledprofit.com> wrote:
> >> > > ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the
> >> > > member's area.
> >> > > ** If you did, we all thank you.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Amherst has town wi-fi--might be good to talk to someone over
> >> > > there.
> >> > > Though frankly, I have had very poor experience trying to log
> >> > > on to
> >> > > the town wi-fi network from e.g., Amherst Coffee.
> >> > >
> >> > > At 1:08 PM -0500 11/29/13, Seth Fischer wrote:
> >> > > > ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the
> >> > > member's area.
> >> > > > ** If you did, we all thank you.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Hello All,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I am interested in promoting the idea of Municipal (offered)
> >> > > >Broadband in Northampton. Comcast is simply too expensive and
> >> > > low
> >> > > >speed for the citizens and businesses in Northampton. I
> >> > > believe
> >> > > >Municipal Broadband would help the residents, as well as make
> >> > > the
> >> > > >City more appealing to businesses.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I believe Northampton is an idea location, as such as large
> >> > > percent
> >> > > >of the population is within 1 mile of downtown.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I have spoken with a City Councillor who expressed
> >> > > significant
> >> > > >interest in (at least) exploring the idea.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Does anyone know any of the issues related to a Municipal
> >> > > Broadband
> >> > > >initiative?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Thanks,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Seth Fischer
> >> > > >
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