I neglected one last item in my previous post on the above subject: HughesNet FAP (Fair Access Policy) You've got to watch this like a hawk. My plan provides 500 MB (that's megabytes download/upload totalled) per rolling 24 hour period. If you exceed this amount you get 'fapped' - which means you are throttled back to near-useless speeds for a 24 hour period - a punishment, if you like. There are various and sundry ways to keep your eye on this. I run a real firewall where I can check traffic over the interface; you can also enter your acct no at HughesNet's site to get a their official totals (but they are 2-3 hours behind). To HughesNet's credit, they have instituted a 'fap-free' period (2AM-7AM for my bird) where traffic does not count towards the fap. It's the perfect time slot to schedule Windows updates or any other large downloads. Practically speaking, this means I am constantly on the case of certain family members to not download video clips at all. They always manage to grab an easy 30-50 mb worth anyways. My daughter and her fiance were visiting and I noticed the modem lights going crazy. I went into the kitchen where they were eating saw their half-opened laptop was unknowingly in the midst of a 130 mb Mcafee update (which I immediately stopped). The previous time they were here I came in to the end of them watching a two hour movie (I think it was 400+ mb or so). I gently but firmly try and explain the situation each time but for them living in the city with what seems to be endless bandwidth, it will take more time. Some last miscellanea: vpn's are not really pleasant, Windows remote connection is quite useable, and I use putty (ssh) all the time with usually good results. And finally, I've read WildBlue hasn't been in the business long enough nor have enough birds in the sky to really compete with HughesNet. So now you know everything about HughesNet. Good luck to whoever embarks upon this noble adventure. When you think about it, you can understand all the issues - problems on the bird are much harder to repair than on earth, you are sharing the connection with potentially many times more subscribers than when on cable (hence the strict fap), and it is much harder and more expensive for the provider to increase bandwidth. Satellite internet is still the only viable option for many earthlings and will probably be with us for a long long time. President Obama, if you are on this maillist, please get us some infrastructure here in Western Mass soon! :-) -- Roy A Cohen Network Advantage LLC 413.330.9568 www.net-vantage.com