[Hidden-tech] Question about business promotions]

[ussailis at shaysnet.com]

The IEEE Consultants' Networks does this very well:

I pay $75/yr for the Boston network (about 80 members). For that I get a
searchable listing on their web site, and a listing in a directory, when it
is published.

Problems with it:

Folks who understand web design wrote the site. That took lots of time, as
they also have a business to run, bread to put on the table, etc.

Someone else does the directory. Again same problem. That person isn't
paid, and paid work comes first. He, too has a family to feed.

But, the business that I get makes it a bargin. I try to do my share of the
work, and attempt to be a speaker once a year at the monthly meeting in
Lexington.

The national Alliance of IEEE Consultants' Networks (AICN), several hundred
members, charges $79/yr. For this I get a searchable web site. In the past
there was a booklet, then a CD, but I haven't seen the CD in a few years.

Business thru this avenue was very good when there was a booklet. Dropped
with the CD only and the 2003 recession. Now there is less business...and
no CD. Possibly there is something there...

The CT IEEE Consultants charges $25/yr. It is a small group with perhaps 20
to 25 members. They have a hand-out sheet, a list on a web site, and a
phone number to call. The web site had a info sheet to fill out, which was
a great spam attractor. That is just changed. 

Not much business thru the CT group, but there is some.

All in all, the IEEE Consultants Networks have changed my business from
starvation to fairly good. I average a living wage because of it, and the
contacts that have been generated...and the follow-on.

I have given a presentation 8 times on how to be a consultant. Every time I
say that the IEEE CN is the cheapest, most effective advertising, that I
have found. 

Jim U.

jim at nationalwireless.com




Original Message:
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From: webmaster webmaster at hidden-tech.net
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:34:32 -0500
To: hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Question about business promotions]


   ** The author of this post was a Good Dobee.
   ** You too can help the group
   ** Fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area.
   ** If you did, we all thank you.


Kathy and a number of others have responded to Amy's questions,
with a good discussion of what HT can/will/should do for 'members',
and exactly what 'members' means.

This discussion will be continued in person in our Annual HT
self-introspective session in Feb.

Also, since Kathy (and a few others) mentioned that others can't really
comment on Amy's request to remove the honorarium page unless they
can see it, so we have left it up for a few weeks.

Also, a clarification - that text on the page is exactly what Amy
has in her company listing.

In response, to Michael's comments - actually many people do 'register'
to get a complete listing, because all registering does is allow you
into the site for a full listing which prevents whole scale downloading
of member information list. The list for which we have many requests, for
the purpose of blant promotion.

As for the need for a directory - very much so - first we need to settle
what is for free and what is (paid) member only, which needs all your input.

As for the overall site comments, keep them coming, a number of people
have stepped up to do more work on the site and we need feedback from 
the whole HT community as to where to focus.

And yes we are all very thankful for Amy's contributions and wish to
properly
thank her -- any other suggestions as to how ?
 
Rich the WM


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Subject: 	Re: [Hidden-tech] Question about business promotions
Date: 	Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:22:49 -0500
From: 	Kathy Reinig <Kathy.Reinig at KJReinig.com>
To: 	hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net

Hi Amy (and Hidden-Tech members),

I'm not certain whether the page I found this morning is the one you  
meant or not: under NEWS - under "Hidden Tech Founder Resigns for new  
adventures in life".

There I saw three links related to your resignation and what looked  
like your standard short blurb used on programs for events meant to  
promote member organizations.  And I can see why you are concerned  
it's not really the appropriate information for such a page.  Better  
would be something more specific to the skills you brought to the  
formation of Hidden Tech and how they've helped shaped the organization.

This mirrors more closely the policy used (or that I think is used -  
I could be ill-informed) for this list.  Mentioning your service  
offerings while answering a related question is acceptable by posting  
an unrequested advertisement is not.

While I commend you for your concern over the issue of personal  
promotion over that of other Hidden Tech companies, I would  
respectfully suggest that the maintainers of the site delay pulling  
the page as you requested for a week so that members interested in  
discussing the issue can see what's being discussed.

Kathy


Kathy Reinig
KJ Reinig Associates
quantitative research analysts

Kathy.Reinig at KJReinig.com
+1 978 544 2194



On Jan 2, 2007, at 4:50 PM, A - Z International wrote:

>  ** The author of this post was a Good Dobee.
>  ** You too can help the group
>  ** Fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area.
>  ** If you did, we all thank you.
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>Boy, was I surprised to find out I now have my own news listing and  
>private page on the Hidden-Tech web site!
>
>Sure, I'm the founder and getting some praise is nice. But the  
>truth be told, I built Hidden-Tech with the help of hundreds of  
>you, starting with your president Jon Reed and every member of the  
>steering committee who followed. You can read the history in the  
>reports on the site, or in the ABOUT section (by the by . . .)
>
>But I do wonder at the wisdom of someone putting up a page for my  
>business and listing my contact information. Unless EVERY board  
>member and voting member gets that advantage, then I think this is  
>unfair promotion. And, if I've been concerned about several major  
>things, it's been that Hidden-Tech promote everyone not one person.
>
>So, why don't you all weigh in and tell me if this promotion is  
>warranted.
>
>Do you want to see yourselves promoted this way too?
>
>Would you pay for your own promotional page?
>
>You can post thoughts to the list. In the meantime, I'm asking the  
>steering committee to remove this special page in my honor until a  
>policy is determined.
>
>best,
>
>Amy Zuckerman
>Hidden-Tech Founder
>
>
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