I'd like to formally request that this thread be moved to one of the hidden-tech web forums. While it is an interesting thread, I feel the opinions are too strong to continue in a regular email list. It is becoming like a battle of who thinks who is right, and ultimately, it isn't making any progress in convincing anyone of anything; its just filling up our inboxes with endless opinions. Thank you David stephanie gelfan wrote: > ** The author of this post was a Good Dobee. > ** You too can help the group > ** Fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area. > ** If you did, we all thank you. > > > > there is a culture of stealing music via downloads and cd copying and not > considering it stealing. > > Food for Thought in Amherst had a slow 10-yr death, as more and more college > students downloaded/copied from friends rather than buy records/tapes/CDs > > I have had people tell me that they loved my CD, or one of my tapes so much > that they made lots of copies for their friends and family. They expected me > to be happy about it. It didn't even occur to them that every copy they made > was another .75 - $12 that I wouldn't be getting. > I have heard this same story from countless other composers and musicians. > > As a studio musician in NY city in the 70s-early 90s, I first-hand > experienced the recording industry and Broadway go down the toilet. > Thousands of musicians have lost work, royalties, and residual money, and > have had to do something else (usually computer-related) for a living > because of this. > > Part of the reason there are less good new broadway shows is that many of > the people who might have created something new and wonderful have had to > make ends meet doing something else > > Music that is put online by artists themselves for anyone to hear/download > for free is not the same as music that someone has put in a format that is > for sale, but someone else has made available online for free. > > Until there is a good way for the creators and performers of music to get > their fair pay, please don't download for free stuff you should be buying. > Stealing is stealing, and it's not just from the big corporations; it's from > individuals. > > stephanie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Miller <ronsmiller at comcast.net> > To: Mary Malmros <malmros at verizon.net> > Cc: <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 8:50 AM > Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Music downloads > > >> ** The author of this post was a Good Dobee. >> ** You too can help the group >> ** Fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area. >> ** If you did, we all thank you. >> >> >> I want to make several points: >> >> * There are many free downloads available on the Internet. This is not >> stealing. The artists provide these songs for free for exposure. Whether >> your kids who are looking for the latest and greatest would embrace this >> depends on the child and what kinds of music they like. >> >> * Casual copying is not the issue record companies make it to be. Out >> and out pirating and reselling *is* an issue, but going after casual >> copiers and mix makers just doesn't make sense. >> >> Remember, that sheet music publishers screamed when records were >> invented because the sheet music business would be suppressed, then the >> record companies screamed when radio developed because after all who >> would pay for a song, they could hear it for free. Last I heard the >> record companies and radio stations were still making money. >> >> The movie people screamed that when vhs tape and later DVDs developed, >> nobody would go to the movies. Last time I checked the movie producers >> were doing very well. >> >> Every time there is a technology shift, the powers that be scream and >> shout that they will be put out of business. Media companies have always >> suffered from a failure of imagination and today is no different. By >> embracing technology instead of fighting it, they have always found a >> way to make (even more) money. Movie producers often make more money >> from DVD sales, then they did from the original movie in the theaters. >> >> * Cassette mixes are no different than CD mixes, quality aside, the >> concept is *exactly* the same. Copying is copying is copying. In the 70s >> when I was making copies of my friends albums on cassettes or making >> favorites cassettes, I was doing the same thing people do with today's >> technology. The Internet and computer make everything easier, but the >> concept is no different. But when you look at the numbers that were >> thrown around post-Frampton Comes Alive in the 70s, you know that the >> records companies thrived. Technology did not kill the record companies >> then and it has not hurt them today as much as they want you to believe. >> >> * Finally, there are plenty of reasonably-priced legal outlets for >> downloading popular music, especially a song at a time. Record companies >> are finding once again that by embracing technology like iTunes and >> Rhapsody, they will find new revenue streams. The more things change... >> >> Ron >> >> >> >> Mary Malmros wrote: >>> ** The author of this post was a Good Dobee. >>> ** You too can help the group >>> ** Fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area. >>> ** If you did, we all thank you. >>> >>> >>> Fred Levine wrote: >>>> I've also wrestled with the morality of letting my kids download for >>>> free. >>> I wouldn't allow it. Period, end of discussion. There is more to right >>> and wrong than whether you get caught. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members -- -------------------------------------------------------- David Korpiewski Phone: 413-545-4319 Software Specialist I Fax: 413-577-2285 Department of Computer Science ICQ: 7565766 University of Massachusetts Amherst --------------------------------------------------------