[Hidden-tech] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

[Andy Klapper]

I'm talking about something on the order of a $0.001 charge per email sent
outside of an email system.  (So email between employees of the same company
would not be taxed since the email is kept within the corporate email
system.)  This "tax" could be paid to the company that receives the email to
the companies that own the wires and routers that the email travels
on/through to help defray their costs.  The point is a person who sends
1,000 emails a month would be charged $1.00 a month  (this seems like a lot
of emails to me for "personal" use - you would need to send an average of
one email every 10 minutes every 8 hour business day to reach 1,000 emails,
assuming only one recipient).  This fee would be so little that AOL,
Charter, etc. would absorb the cost as part of the monthly fee they already
collect (they probably already have an email per month limit in place that's
probably less than 1,000 as it is).  On the other hand a spammer would have
to pay  $1,000 per one million spammed people.  This may not seem like a
lot, but given that it costs nothing right now spam is completely
untargeted.  Like I said this would not eliminate spam, but I will no longer
receive spam about breast enlargement pills and 20 year olds will not
receive adds for Viagra.  There would also be incentive to build up lists of
people that have not responded to previous attempts to sell a particular
"class" of products and either pull them out of rotation completely or put
them into a slower rotation.

Problem is that spammers currently get something for nothing and the
telecomms and businesses are the ones picking up the costs, which is unfair.



Andy.


-----Original Message-----
From: all at pinehurstpictures.com [mailto:all at pinehurstpictures.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:50 PM
To: Andy Klapper; hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
Subject: Re: RE: [Hidden-tech] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

Taxing is not a solution. How much do you want to pay? $0.50 $1.00? I use
email for both business and personal communication. If it were taxed I'd cut
down my time on the net. I'm sure others would too. And we HAVE to keep the
government OUT of the net. They could kill it.
Rikk
Pinehurst Pictures & Sound
www.pinehurstpictures.com
>
> From: "Andy Klapper" <andytk at charter.net>
> Date: 2006/02/17 Fri PM 05:19:21 EST
> To: <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>
> Subject: RE: [Hidden-tech] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?
>
>    ** Be a Good Dobee and help the group, you must be counted to post .
>    ** Fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area.
>
>
>
> I've always thought that the only real solution to spam was to put a small
> price on each email.  Small enough that your internet provider would
absorb
> the cost for a reasonable number of emails per month, large enough that
> 100,000 to one response rates are no longer economical for the people that
> pay the spammers to spam.  Spammers don't spam for ha ha's, they do it
> because it costs very little to spam tens of millions of people, and if
you
> can get 100 of them to buy your fake Viagra you've made a profit.  This
> doesn't mean that spam would go away, just be reduced to more targeted
> marking, just like what happens with snail mail.
>
> Of course email within a system, say a company's own email server, would
not
> get taxed.
>
> The downside of course is that any organization that depends on free email
> would be hurt.  They could however switch to forums / bulletin boards.
>
> I'm talking about taxing every email that enters the net.  Not the
Goodmail
> system where you pay for the equivalent of certified mail.
>
>
>
> Andy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net
> [mailto:hidden-discuss-bounces at lists.hidden-tech.net]On Behalf Of Rikk
> Desgres
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:50 PM
> To: Jonathan Dill; hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?
>
>
>    ** Be a Good Dobee and help the group, you must be counted to post .
>    ** Fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area.
>
>
> All email will still get through, only the Goodmail will have a stamp or
an
> icon next to it. Spammers will just pay the $0.025 for each email. They
will
> figure it's still cheaper than USPS. I don't think it will help. As much
as
> I hate spam, I'm NOT buying stock in Goodmail.
>
> Rikk
>
>
>
> on 2/17/06 1:22 PM, Jonathan Dill at jfdill at jfdill.com wrote:
>
> >  ** Be a Good Dobee and help the group, you must be counted to post .
> >  ** Fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area.
> >
> >
> > Has everyone heard about the changes planned by AOL, Yahoo! etc. to
> > require "certification" via Goodmail or just be blocked?  There will be
> > a fraction of a cent fee to send "bulk" e-mail messages.
> >
> > http://www.clickz.com/news/article.php/3581301
> >
> > http://www.goodmailsystems.com/
> >
> > What will happen to a mailing list such as this one?  Will AOL and
> > Yahoo! users just be out of luck or have to get an e-mail account with
> > another provider in order to receive mailing lists?  Maybe this mailing
> > list is small enough that the fees could be manageable, but I manage one
> > mailing list for a small business that has about 45,000 subscribers.  On
> > the surface, I guess the certification sounded like a good idea, but for
> > a lot of organizations, like this one or any of numerous all-volunteer
> > developer projects, it is going to put an unfair tax on e-mail.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
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