The AIGA (American Institute of Graphic Arts) has made their stance clear https://www.aiga.org/position-spec-work When it comes to work-for-hire, I offer these options for creative services: - Paid work - Pro bono (or volunteering) — for cause work only, and no more than 20% of my annual work hours. - Personal projects (The only person who gets 'free' work is me) Equity may be an option for some, sure—but 90% of the time you should take the money. Unless you're a cofounder of a company, and/or the equity offer is from a startup with a valuation and funding (not bootstrapping). On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 2:34 PM Denise Batalha via Hidden-discuss < hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > Kris, > > I've always likened the idea of these skills being too easy to be paid > their worth as being seen as simple as coloring. What I don't get is if > they clearly see these skills as so simplified it requires little to no > pay, why don't they just do it themselves? I am, by no means, implying that > is the case here. Good/great designers cost money, and I completely > understand the overwhelming weight of the costs any organization, or > individual lacking the funds, can be. > > Denise > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 2:05 PM kris badertscher via Hidden-discuss < > hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: > >> As a media and communications/graphic designer, I found this *contest* >> to be incredibly disrespectful to the ever-expanding community of pioneer >> valley creatives who so often have to go against their better judgement and >> take work either pro bono (hoping that it leads to paid a gig), for barter, >> or for slave-wage labor just in order to pay a bill. >> >> This cultivated western Massachusetts mentality of bargaining for free or >> underpaid labor predominates in this region where creative workers are >> consistently being taken advantage of because so few opportunities present >> themselves. >> >> Whether it's photography, video, graphic design, or another skilled >> creative endeavor, other professionals in the Valley seem to think that >> these skills require nothing more than just a press of a button. Or maybe >> they do know and understand that having a subscription to Adobe or >> Microsoft products or other applications, plus equipment and training in >> order to make their designs for clients are outrageously expensive and they >> don't care. Because right, there's always the bounty of students to hire >> willing to put up with unpaid labor early in their careers. >> >> This mindset hurts all of us. We all then have to accept underpaid labor >> as an exploited community in order to survive, never mind *thrive*. What >> results is that no one outside the creative community gets a sense of what >> a project *actually* costs which repeats this unethical cycle. >> >> Living in the age of wanting something for (nearly) nothing is doing >> everyone a disservice and my recommendation is to first research the market >> and know how much a particular job costs. And please consider the cost- not >> just of what you are offering in exchange for labor or products, but the >> cost to all of us who live with the consequences of that mindset. >> >> Cheers, Kris >> >> sustainabilitydesigner.com >> >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 12:36 PM Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss < >> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote: >> >>> You do realize that that amounts for barely 4 hours of a reasonable wage >>> for a graphic artist >>> and that only goes to the winner -- really doesn't sound in line with >>> your company name. >>> >>> I'd hope to see something more, maybe at least a percent of sales >>> OR just hire an artist. >>> >>> Think about it. >>> On 9/20/2019 6:37 AM, Jessica Gifford via Hidden-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I'm running a design contest for the back and box of a customized deck >>> of *Connection Cards*, which are used in a program that helps >>> participants get to know new people, build social connections, and develop >>> friendships. Each card has a question that participants answer as part of >>> the program. There will be a $150 prize for the winning design. You may >>> email jessica at growingwellness.life for entry guidelines. Please pass >>> along to anyone who may be interested. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Jessica >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Jessica Gifford, LICSW >>> www.growingwellness.life >>> 413-548-4688 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.netHidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site.http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >>> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >>> >>> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion >>> list. >>> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >>> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >>> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net >> Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net >> >> You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. >> If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members >> page on the Hidden Tech Web site. >> http://www.hidden-tech.net/members >> > _______________________________________________ > Hidden-discuss mailing list - home page: http://www.hidden-tech.net > Hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net > > You are receiving this because you are on the Hidden-Tech Discussion list. > If you would like to change your list preferences, Go to the Members > page on the Hidden Tech Web site. > http://www.hidden-tech.net/members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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