[Hidden-tech] Graphic design contest for a card deck

Wed Oct 9 20:21:21 UTC 2019

Hope it fails for them there, as well. Unbelievable.

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 4:18 PM Matt Wolaver via Hidden-discuss <
hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:

> I’m saddened to hear that one local designer (that I know) entered their
> design and shared with me response from they received from the company that
> put out the request.
>
> *Hi,*
> *Thank you again for your design submission. Unfortunately yours was the
> only submission for the contest and I had hoped to see a variety of
> designs. I have decided to run the contest on crowdspring.com
> <http://crowdspring.com/> to get more submissions. I encourage you to
> submit your designs there -- you should be able to search for the project
> under Connection Cards.*
> *Thanks!*
> *Jessica*
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2019, at 3:09 PM, Tess Gadwa via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>
> 
> But of course, that gets built into your pricing.
>
> That is more the advertising agency model of doing things. In my view,
> it's inefficient.
>
> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 8:13 AM Harry Flood via Hidden-discuss <
> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>
>> Being in the finance field I have worked in several companies where
>> clients or potential clients were totally happy to have you do development
>> work for their benefit, after which they'd decide to buy it. Or not. It's a
>> slippery slope.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> Harry J Flood
>> CFO, Mediaspectrum, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 12:12 PM B. Kimo Lee via Hidden-discuss <
>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings HT,
>>>
>>> Interesting discussion going on. Also following the parallel thread
>>> about *The Other Job Fair*.
>>>
>>> I think there is a place for this type of Graphic Design Contest —
>>> design students looking to build a portfolio, or people just starting out
>>> with the same goal. I submitted quite a few pieces back when I was in
>>> school during the late 70’s and actually “won" several. Good to have
>>> printed samples.
>>>
>>> Of course most times, you get what you pay for — but occasionally you
>>> get a gem.
>>>
>>> At agencies I’ve worked at, we often would develop creative concepts for
>>> campaigns which were technically “on spec” but these were for new business
>>> pitches for national clients. If we won the account, it would pay off in a
>>> big way. We had a budget allocated for this type of spec work.
>>>
>>> Happy Fall,
>>> Kimo
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Sep 26, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Denise Batalha via Hidden-discuss <
>>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Aaron,
>>>
>>> This is a GREAT template to go by!!
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 3:56 PM Aaron Taylor-Waldman <
>>> aaron at taylorwaldman.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The AIGA (American Institute of Graphic Arts) has made their stance
>>>> clear https://www.aiga.org/position-spec-work
>>>>
>>>> When it comes to work-for-hire, I offer these options for creative
>>>> services:
>>>>
>>>>    - Paid work
>>>>    - Pro bono (or volunteering) — for cause work only, and no more
>>>>    than 20% of my annual work hours.
>>>>    - Personal projects (The only person who gets 'free' work is me)
>>>>
>>>> Equity may be an option for some, sure—but 90% of the time you should
>>>> take the money. Unless you're a cofounder of a company, and/or the equity
>>>> offer is from a startup with a valuation and funding (not bootstrapping).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 2:34 PM Denise Batalha via Hidden-discuss <
>>>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kris,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've always likened the idea of these skills being too easy to be paid
>>>>> their worth as being seen as simple as coloring. What I don't get is if
>>>>> they clearly see these skills as so simplified it requires little to no
>>>>> pay, why don't they just do it themselves? I am, by no means, implying that
>>>>> is the case here. Good/great designers cost money, and I completely
>>>>> understand the overwhelming weight of the costs any organization, or
>>>>> individual lacking the funds, can be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Denise
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 2:05 PM kris badertscher via Hidden-discuss <
>>>>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As a media and communications/graphic designer, I found this
>>>>>> *contest* to be incredibly disrespectful to the ever-expanding
>>>>>> community of pioneer valley creatives who so often have to go against their
>>>>>> better judgement and take work either pro bono (hoping that it leads to
>>>>>> paid a gig), for barter, or for slave-wage labor just in order to pay a
>>>>>> bill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This cultivated western Massachusetts mentality of bargaining for
>>>>>> free or underpaid labor predominates in this region where creative workers
>>>>>> are consistently being taken advantage of because so few opportunities
>>>>>> present themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whether it's photography, video, graphic design, or another skilled
>>>>>> creative endeavor, other professionals in the Valley seem to think that
>>>>>> these skills require nothing more than just a press of a button. Or maybe
>>>>>> they do know and understand that having a subscription to Adobe or
>>>>>> Microsoft products or other applications, plus equipment and training in
>>>>>> order to make their designs for clients are outrageously expensive and they
>>>>>> don't care. Because right, there's always the bounty of students to hire
>>>>>> willing to put up with unpaid labor early in their careers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This mindset hurts all of us. We all then have to accept underpaid
>>>>>> labor as an exploited community in order to survive, never mind
>>>>>> *thrive*. What results is that no one outside the creative community
>>>>>> gets a sense of what a project *actually* costs which repeats this
>>>>>> unethical cycle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Living in the age of wanting something for (nearly) nothing is doing
>>>>>> everyone a disservice and my recommendation is to first research the market
>>>>>> and know how much a particular job costs. And please consider the cost- not
>>>>>> just of what you are offering in exchange for labor or products, but the
>>>>>> cost to all of us who live with the consequences of that mindset.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers, Kris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sustainabilitydesigner.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 12:36 PM Rich at OTN via Hidden-discuss <
>>>>>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You do realize that that amounts for barely 4 hours of a reasonable
>>>>>>> wage for a graphic artist
>>>>>>> and that only goes to the winner -- really doesn't sound in line
>>>>>>> with your company name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd hope to see something more, maybe at least a percent of sales
>>>>>>> OR just hire an artist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think about it.
>>>>>>> On 9/20/2019 6:37 AM, Jessica Gifford via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm running a design contest for the back and box of a customized
>>>>>>> deck of *Connection Cards*, which are used in a program that helps
>>>>>>> participants get to know new people, build social connections, and develop
>>>>>>> friendships. Each card has a question that participants answer as part of
>>>>>>> the program. There will be a $150 prize for the winning design. You
>>>>>>> may email jessica at growingwellness.life for entry guidelines. Please
>>>>>>> pass along to anyone who may be interested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> Jessica
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jessica Gifford, LICSW
>>>>>>> www.growingwellness.life
>>>>>>> 413-548-4688
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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