[Hidden-tech] Domain dispute

Elijah Gwynn eli at egwynn.com
Thu Aug 22 19:42:41 UTC 2019


You might not need "public" whois history. If your friend has been the 
owner the whole time, then he should be able to ask for historical 
records from any / all registrars that have been involved.

Eli

On 22 Aug 2019, at 13:04, Dédé Wilson via Hidden-discuss wrote:

> Thank you Sam. He has been doing business for 20 years with the 
> business name. The woman has only been on the scene for about 3 years. 
> We are getting documents together.
>
> Anyone who has paid access to the WHOIS History, I would appreciate 
> the help
>
> Dédé
>
>> On Aug 22, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Sam McClellan <sam at itabix.com> wrote:
>>
>> Typically in a case like this, you need to have proof of ownership or 
>> the domain name needs to have a history of pointing to the website of 
>> an established business that had ownership. The fact that they shared 
>> a business and there was no written agreement on the domain ownership 
>> makes it very messy. I'm not a lawyer but it sounds like they need to 
>> get a lawyer.
>>
>> Sam
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>> On 8/22/2019 11:55 AM, Dédé Wilson via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>> No, it did not lapse. A business associate at the time who had 
>>> access to everything (emails, PINs, etc.) changed everything over to 
>>> herself without his approval.
>>>
>>> I’ve been on the phone with Google fraud, crawled all over ICANN 
>>> and Whois…BUT I do not have a $99 membership to the section you 
>>> linked…anyone want to help who is a member?
>>>
>>> Dédé
>>>
>>>> On Aug 22, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Alan Fleming 
>>>> <alanfleming9826 at gmail.com <mailto:alanfleming9826 at gmail.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Did the original owner allow the registration to lapse? It is not 
>>>> uncommon to lose a domain, even google.com <http://google.com/> was 
>>>> lost in /2015 and someone noticed, registered it, and got paid from 
>>>> google to get it back, all within a matter of minutes:
>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/this-guy-bought-googlecom-from-google-for-one-minute-2015-9 
>>>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/this-guy-bought-googlecom-from-google-for-one-minute-2015-9>
>>>>
>>>> But there are tools that look for the 'Who Is' history of a domain:
>>>> http://research.domaintools.com/research/whois-history/ 
>>>> <http://research.domaintools.com/research/whois-history/>
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully the original owner didnt use privacy settings that would 
>>>> hide their info from a who is lookup, but otherwise this should be 
>>>> able to help in determining when ownership changed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 11:46 AM Dédé Wilson via Hidden-discuss 
>>>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net 
>>>> <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:
>>>> Hi All, I am trying to help someone who originally established a 
>>>> URL in 2005. He was doing business with a partner for the last 
>>>> several years and they have now broken up their business 
>>>> arrangement (all very informal). He has just realized that over the 
>>>> last few months she has transferred his 2 domains to her own 
>>>> ownership via Google and he is locked out of his site and is no 
>>>> longer the “owner” on paper, as it were.
>>>>
>>>> I spoke with Google this morning and understand that they have a 
>>>> fraud process, but I was hoping someone with experience might chat 
>>>> with me about things he can do.
>>>>
>>>> One thing I was hoping to find was a historical record of the 
>>>> ownership of the URL, but I have not been successful with that. And 
>>>> that might not even mean anything anyway…:(
>>>>
>>>> Any help much appreciated
>>>>
>>>> Dédé
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