[Hidden-tech] Domain dispute

[Elijah Gwynn]

You might not need "public" whois history. If your friend has been the 
owner the whole time, then he should be able to ask for historical 
records from any / all registrars that have been involved.

Eli

On 22 Aug 2019, at 13:04, Dédé Wilson via Hidden-discuss wrote:

> Thank you Sam. He has been doing business for 20 years with the 
> business name. The woman has only been on the scene for about 3 years. 
> We are getting documents together.
>
> Anyone who has paid access to the WHOIS History, I would appreciate 
> the help
>
> Dédé
>
>> On Aug 22, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Sam McClellan <sam at itabix.com> wrote:
>>
>> Typically in a case like this, you need to have proof of ownership or 
>> the domain name needs to have a history of pointing to the website of 
>> an established business that had ownership. The fact that they shared 
>> a business and there was no written agreement on the domain ownership 
>> makes it very messy. I'm not a lawyer but it sounds like they need to 
>> get a lawyer.
>>
>> Sam
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>> On 8/22/2019 11:55 AM, Dédé Wilson via Hidden-discuss wrote:
>>> No, it did not lapse. A business associate at the time who had 
>>> access to everything (emails, PINs, etc.) changed everything over to 
>>> herself without his approval.
>>>
>>> I’ve been on the phone with Google fraud, crawled all over ICANN 
>>> and Whois…BUT I do not have a $99 membership to the section you 
>>> linked…anyone want to help who is a member?
>>>
>>> Dédé
>>>
>>>> On Aug 22, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Alan Fleming 
>>>> <alanfleming9826 at gmail.com <mailto:alanfleming9826 at gmail.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Did the original owner allow the registration to lapse? It is not 
>>>> uncommon to lose a domain, even google.com <http://google.com/> was 
>>>> lost in /2015 and someone noticed, registered it, and got paid from 
>>>> google to get it back, all within a matter of minutes:
>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/this-guy-bought-googlecom-from-google-for-one-minute-2015-9 
>>>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/this-guy-bought-googlecom-from-google-for-one-minute-2015-9>
>>>>
>>>> But there are tools that look for the 'Who Is' history of a domain:
>>>> http://research.domaintools.com/research/whois-history/ 
>>>> <http://research.domaintools.com/research/whois-history/>
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully the original owner didnt use privacy settings that would 
>>>> hide their info from a who is lookup, but otherwise this should be 
>>>> able to help in determining when ownership changed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 11:46 AM Dédé Wilson via Hidden-discuss 
>>>> <hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net 
>>>> <mailto:hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net>> wrote:
>>>> Hi All, I am trying to help someone who originally established a 
>>>> URL in 2005. He was doing business with a partner for the last 
>>>> several years and they have now broken up their business 
>>>> arrangement (all very informal). He has just realized that over the 
>>>> last few months she has transferred his 2 domains to her own 
>>>> ownership via Google and he is locked out of his site and is no 
>>>> longer the “owner” on paper, as it were.
>>>>
>>>> I spoke with Google this morning and understand that they have a 
>>>> fraud process, but I was hoping someone with experience might chat 
>>>> with me about things he can do.
>>>>
>>>> One thing I was hoping to find was a historical record of the 
>>>> ownership of the URL, but I have not been successful with that. And 
>>>> that might not even mean anything anyway…:(
>>>>
>>>> Any help much appreciated
>>>>
>>>> Dédé
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