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<div style="font-family:sans-serif"><div style="white-space:normal"><p dir="auto">You might not need "public" whois history. If your friend has been the owner the whole time, then he should be able to ask for historical records from any / all registrars that have been involved.</p>
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<p dir="auto">On 22 Aug 2019, at 13:04, Dédé Wilson via Hidden-discuss wrote:</p>
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<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><div id="1312E269-7792-4E01-8BBC-36FD0AF48408"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thank you Sam. He has been doing business for 20 years with the business name. The woman has only been on the scene for about 3 years. We are getting documents together.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Anyone who has paid access to the WHOIS History, I would appreciate the help</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Dédé<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 22, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Sam McClellan <<a href="mailto:sam@itabix.com" class="">sam@itabix.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" class="">Typically in a case like
this, you need to have proof of ownership or the domain name needs
to have a history of pointing to the website of an established
business that had ownership. The fact that they shared a business
and there was no written agreement on the domain ownership makes
it very messy. I'm not a lawyer but it sounds like they need to
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No, it did not lapse. A business associate at the time who had
access to everything (emails, PINs, etc.) changed everything over
to herself without his approval.
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<div class="">I’ve been on the phone with Google fraud, crawled
all over ICANN and Whois…BUT I do not have a $99 membership to
the section you linked…anyone want to help who is a member?<br class="">
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<div class="">On Aug 22, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Alan Fleming
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Did the original owner allow the
registration to lapse? It is not uncommon to lose a
domain, even <a href="http://google.com/" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">google.com</a> was lost in
/2015 and someone noticed, registered it, and got paid
from google to get it back, all within a matter of
minutes:<br class="">
<a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/this-guy-bought-googlecom-from-google-for-one-minute-2015-9" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.businessinsider.com/this-guy-bought-googlecom-from-google-for-one-minute-2015-9</a><br class="">
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But there are tools that look for the 'Who Is' history
of a domain:
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Hopefully the original owner didnt use privacy
settings that would hide their info from a who is
lookup, but otherwise this should be able to help in
determining when ownership changed.</div>
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at 11:46 AM Dédé Wilson via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi All, I am
trying to help someone who originally established a
URL in 2005. He was doing business with a partner
for the last several years and they have now broken
up their business arrangement (all very informal).
He has just realized that over the last few months
she has transferred his 2 domains to her own
ownership via Google and he is locked out of his
site and is no longer the “owner” on paper, as it
were.<br class="">
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I spoke with Google this morning and understand that
they have a fraud process, but I was hoping someone
with experience might chat with me about things he
can do.<br class="">
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One thing I was hoping to find was a historical
record of the ownership of the URL, but I have not
been successful with that. And that might not even
mean anything anyway…:(<br class="">
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Any help much appreciated<br class="">
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Dédé<br class="">
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