[Hidden-tech] Green energy providers - pls move this to a green list

[Rich Roth]

This topic really needs to move to a more 'green' oriented discussion area,
there are many such venues.

You can find some such info at our site (Thrives Media):
http://www.Earththrives.com or
another local group - http://yourolivebranch.org/fp/

Rich

On 5/12/2011 10:52 PM, Roger Sorkin wrote:
> Even our good old wood stoves have soot on their hands. This just in from Greenland:
>
> "At this week's meetings in Greenland, attended by diplomats of the Arctic Council, Clinton will be joined by Interior Secretary Ken Salazar. Aides said they plan to highlight the role played by "black carbon" - essentially soot from inefficient combustion, such as natural gas flaring, wood stoves and the controlled burning of agricultural waste."
>
> full article: http://www2.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=4767348
>
> Regards,
>
> Roger
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> On May 12, 2011, at 10:18 AM, ussailis at shaysnet.com wrote:
>
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>> I must disagree somewhat. 
>>
>>> From what has been learned from the German experience, the renewable aspect
>> of wood energy can be very long term, indeed.
>>
>> Although in a more northerly clime, also consider Iceland (which is not
>> covered with ice). They used up all of their wood, every scrap, for fuel.
>> About 10 years ago they had a ceremony at a plantation because some
>> reforestation reached a height of 20 meters.
>>
>> So, renewable, no question. In our grandchildren's life time, not at a
>> useage rate that was shown on the cover of Atlantic Forestry mag.
>>
>>
>> Jim Ussailis
>>
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>> Original Message:
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>> From: Shel Horowitz shel at frugalfun.com
>> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 18:38:19 -0400
>> To: ussailis at shaysnet.com, producer at wholehealthexpo.com,
>> hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] Green energy providers
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>>
>> Not to mention very real issues around pollution, 
>> clear-cutting, toxins (especially if using 
>> contaminated sources like pressure-treated wood 
>> scraps), etc. Renewable doesn't always mean 
>> green. Wood-forest biomass is renewable but not 
>> sustainable.
>>
>> At 8:54 AM -0400 5/10/11, ussailis at shaysnet.com wrote:
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>>> Be very careful of the "biomass" bit. Many of us think that it is the use
>>> of waste products as in waste paper or even unusable tree parts as in
>>> limbs, etc. In our neck of the woods "biomass" = trees.
>>>
>>> I thought only waste trees & tree parts were used until I saw an article in
>>> "Atlantic Forestry" mag last spring.
>>>
>>> First, limbs and waste tree parts are used, but that depends on what
>>> "waste" is. Yes, unusable wood for pulp or sawlogs might be used, if there
>>> is enough for profitability. (In the pulpwood recovery, trees are now
>>> chipped on-site. There is no 'waste.')
>>>
>>> Most often, though, it is whole trees, bark, limbs and all that are sent to
>>> the electric generator. So nothing remains on the land to aid regeneration.
>>>
>>> Worse, the latest harvest method is to remove roots and all. The entire
>>> tree is fed to a chipper, and chips trucked to the generator.
>>>
>>> In Nova Scotia there is a law about leaving a parcel of land for
>>> regeneration. Atlantic Forestry had a cover picture of one of these
>>> efforts. A island of forest was left in a very large denuded area.
>>>
>>> Now for those of us who garden, we know there is more than vegetation waste
>>> that makes stuff grow. In the forest small animals and the food chain of
>>> animals also help. So when I saw this picture I asked how the small animals
>>> were to get to this island to start the cycle over? Of course most will not
>>> venture over the denuded expanse.
>>>
>>> Somewhere I have read that the German Forestry folks tried using the whole
>>> tree (although not the root stock) once. They abandoned this because soil
>>> nutrient levels dissipated after a time.
>>>
>>> So 'biomass' for electric generation fuel would be fine if it were a yearly
>>> crop thing, like old corn stalks. I don't believe it is anywhere near here.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Disclaimer. I have about 181 acres of forest in Nova Scotia. I originally
>>> thought that biomass generated electric was a good use for the 'trash.' I
>>> now think otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Ussailis
>>> jim at nationalwireless.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 22:15:43 -0400
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