[Hidden-tech] An Idea about Email

[B. Kimo Lee]

Hi all,
I second the Postini mail service. It's cheap and effective.
Best,
Kimo




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On Aug 26, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Matthew Crocker wrote:

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> On Aug 25, 2008, at 4:45 PM, ussailis at shaysnet.com wrote:
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>> Here's an idea.
>>
>> Since I have become the owner of Shaysnet, I have had a chance to  
>> look at a
>> lot of spam. What I have observed is many of my users get the same  
>> stuff.
>> So, couldn't there be a program that says "if X users (let X be some
>> reasonable number like 4) get the same mail, it is spam, therefore  
>> deal
>> with it"
>
> Thousands of my users are on the same mailing lists so they get the  
> same messages.  If I deleted identical mail after the 4th message I  
> would have a lot of angry customers.
>
>> Of course my "deal with it" would be to collect all the spam for  
>> one day
>> and send it all back to the first spammer of that day. If enough  
>> ISPs did
>> this...
>
> All spam comes from a bogus sender address and if you send the spam  
> back to the address in the e-mail you become a spammer yourself.   
> This is called a 'Joe Job'
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job
>
> I switched @crocker.com & @the-spa.com over to Postini about a year  
> ago and haven't looked back. fighting spam was a full time job for  
> me, eating up huge resources in bandwidth and CPU.   I used to have  
> 10 high end machines getting crushed by spam (greylisters, dedicated  
> DNS, spamassassin, anti-virus ...)  now with Postini I have 4 (2  
> inbound SMTP & 2 POP/IMAP toasters).     I have 2 full GigE  
> connections to the Internet in Springfield,  you would be amazed how  
> much bandwidth spammers could eat up if you let them.  I regularly  
> had several hundred mbps hitting my mail servers causing a huge log  
> jam and backing up mail for hours.
>
> I'm 1000% better off letting Postini handle my inbound spam.   They  
> have more resources (owned by Google) to both deal with the spam and  
> handle the legal aspects of tracking down the culprits.
>
>
>
>>
>> Jim Ussailis
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
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>> From:  htcontact at town-websites.com
>> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:48:58 -0600
>> To: ssol at interactiveguild.com, hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] An Idea about Email
>>
>>
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>> I think the spam problem can be best attacked on ths technical side.
>>
>> The protocols for email were established long before anyone  
>> imagined SPAM
>> would become such a problem.  There have been a patchwork of  
>> afterthought
>> spam interventions, by ISPs, by email services, and at the end  
>> user's PC,
>> but email by and large continues to use a patchwork on top of old  
>> protocols
>> not suited to the task.  I haven't ever really looked at the  
>> protocols,
>> certainly not recently, but I think a starting point should be  
>> something
>> like a real identity registration that can be verified, something  
>> like DNS
>> registration, so you could tell the true source of email without  
>> having to
>> use heuristics to guess at the identity or what the content is.
>>
>> Even venturing at an design gets complicated enough to require a  
>> task force
>> and years of discussions, never mind implementation.  But I think a  
>> better
>> technology could make it easier to weed out spammers - through  
>> legal means
>> or simpler, more accurate screening; while also having a lighter  
>> impact on
>> small organizations and business that need reliable ability to  
>> contact
>> their clients than the current patchwork.
>>
>> Charlie Heath
>> Town Websites
>>
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