[Hidden-tech] An Idea about Email

[Joseph Steig]

I received over 88,000 Spam messages in the last 30 days! Just checked my
Spam "folder" which I never normally do.

And almost NONE of them came into my inbox--perhaps a dozen a day at most on
a bad day.

I use Google's GMail. I have seven e-mail addresses that neatly flow into
one inbox. I have only ONCE in the last year had Google incorrectly identify
something as SPAM--I never normally check my Spam "folder". ("Folder" is in
quotes because GMail doesn't actually use folders but rather uses tags.)

I sound like an advertisement for Google, but with Google in my life, Spam
no longer exists as a concern for me--it's Google's worry and they handle it
beautifully.

And yes I know, Sergey and Larry and the CIA are reading my e-mail. But
small price to pay . . .

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joseph at steig.com | 617-500-7376 EST


On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Matthew Crocker <matthew at crocker.com>wrote:

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> On Aug 25, 2008, at 4:45 PM, ussailis at shaysnet.com wrote:
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>> Here's an idea.
>>
>> Since I have become the owner of Shaysnet, I have had a chance to look at
>> a
>> lot of spam. What I have observed is many of my users get the same stuff.
>> So, couldn't there be a program that says "if X users (let X be some
>> reasonable number like 4) get the same mail, it is spam, therefore deal
>> with it"
>>
>
> Thousands of my users are on the same mailing lists so they get the same
> messages.  If I deleted identical mail after the 4th message I would have a
> lot of angry customers.
>
>  Of course my "deal with it" would be to collect all the spam for one day
>> and send it all back to the first spammer of that day. If enough ISPs did
>> this...
>>
>
> All spam comes from a bogus sender address and if you send the spam back to
> the address in the e-mail you become a spammer yourself.  This is called a
> 'Joe Job'
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job
>
> I switched @crocker.com & @the-spa.com over to Postini about a year ago
> and haven't looked back. fighting spam was a full time job for me, eating up
> huge resources in bandwidth and CPU.   I used to have 10 high end machines
> getting crushed by spam (greylisters, dedicated DNS, spamassassin,
> anti-virus ...)  now with Postini I have 4 (2 inbound SMTP & 2 POP/IMAP
> toasters).     I have 2 full GigE connections to the Internet in
> Springfield,  you would be amazed how much bandwidth spammers could eat up
> if you let them.  I regularly had several hundred mbps hitting my mail
> servers causing a huge log jam and backing up mail for hours.
>
> I'm 1000% better off letting Postini handle my inbound spam.   They have
> more resources (owned by Google) to both deal with the spam and handle the
> legal aspects of tracking down the culprits.
>
>
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>
>
>> Jim Ussailis
>>
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>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From:  htcontact at town-websites.com
>> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:48:58 -0600
>> To: ssol at interactiveguild.com, hidden-discuss at lists.hidden-tech.net
>> Subject: Re: [Hidden-tech] An Idea about Email
>>
>>
>>  ** Be sure to fill out the survey/skills inventory in the member's area.
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>> I think the spam problem can be best attacked on ths technical side.
>>
>> The protocols for email were established long before anyone imagined SPAM
>> would become such a problem.  There have been a patchwork of afterthought
>> spam interventions, by ISPs, by email services, and at the end user's PC,
>> but email by and large continues to use a patchwork on top of old
>> protocols
>> not suited to the task.  I haven't ever really looked at the protocols,
>> certainly not recently, but I think a starting point should be something
>> like a real identity registration that can be verified, something like DNS
>> registration, so you could tell the true source of email without having to
>> use heuristics to guess at the identity or what the content is.
>>
>> Even venturing at an design gets complicated enough to require a task
>> force
>> and years of discussions, never mind implementation.  But I think a better
>> technology could make it easier to weed out spammers - through legal means
>> or simpler, more accurate screening; while also having a lighter impact on
>> small organizations and business that need reliable ability to contact
>> their clients than the current patchwork.
>>
>> Charlie Heath
>> Town Websites
>>
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