My host (ehostpros.com) still runs MySQL 4. I looked at GoDaddy and they say that's what they run as well. I'd like to be able to use some of the features in MySQL 5, as the management tool I want to provide (Navicat) so a client can write their own simple queries and reports, has some features like views that require MySQL 5. Any thoughts on this? I can stick with MySQL 4 , but would consider either alternate hosts or a different client tool. Views look like they would simplify my presenting data in a way that the client can use it without jumping through as high a hoop. Thanks for any thoughts. Charlie Heath Blue Herring Consulting