I'd pretty much agree with Anne and Rich. My statement of terms now notes that e-mail and phone time are billable, and that I will continue to revise until the client is satisfied, but the clock is running. Likewise, I charge for all time except billing issues and personal friendship time. I also usually get a credit card number and exp. date. Once in a while i will eat a revision if it's my fault, like when I had a dyslexic fit, read a chart to mean the opposite of what it said, and wrote a press release using that as the hook. That was totally my fault ad I cheerfully did the make-good plus an extra, for free. >Anne Campbell wrote: >>One of my clients has recently raised a question about what activities are >>billable. I'm a Web designer, and I pride myself on my honesty in billing (I >>don't dawdle or pad my hours). I'd love to have some feedback about >>what's fair >>to charge for. >> >>When I'm working on an hourly basis rather than a flat per-project >>rate, I bill >>for time spent: discussing plans for the design (whether on the phone, in >>person, or by e-mail); creating and revising the comp; creating the graphics; >>coding the HTML and CSS; debugging so the site looks good in all browsers; >>uploading files; and all the project-related correspondence that >>happens along >>the way. >>I *don't* bill for time spent generating invoices or contracts, or >>correspondence about same. If a client and I are friendly and spend >>ten minutes >>chatting about what we did over the weekend, of course I don't bill for that. >>If I make an obvious, careless mistake that's my fault, I usually don't bill >>for the time it takes to fix it. >> >All the above is fine - although if you have to do especially >complex billing because of client request, I do change, >this is specifically true of time spend for some government >projects. As for mistakes, time is time, it would take >a really dumb mistake for me not to billing a client. You are being >paid for the time, and the rate is set based on >your level of experience, and since all humans make mistakes >occasionally -- that is part of the project and hence >billable. > >>This particular client was concerned because on a recent project, >>there were a >>lot of CSS-related incompatibilities between browsers, which took time to >>unravel. She thought the "time spent correcting things that really ought to >>have been part of the original work, designing for a variety of browsers and >>screens" was unreasonable. She also believes that if I "answer the >>odd e-mail," >>that should not be a billable activity. >Both are very billable in my book -- they are part of the complex >world of the Internet. >>I certainly don't want to cheat this client, or any client. If it were you, >>what would you do in this situation? >> >It sounds to me like this client has no qualms about getting some of >your time for free. >>BTW, my work is pro-rated by the quarter-hour. This client is a small >>for-profit company but is paying the hourly rate I normally charge nonprofit >>organizations. >Even more of a verification that this client is looking to getting >paying less than they should. > >-- >Rich Roth >CEO On-the-net -- _________________________________________________ Shel Horowitz - 413-586-2388/800-683-WORD shel at frugalfun.com -->Join the Business Ethics Pledge - Ten Years to Change the World, One Signature at a Time (please tell your friends) <http://www.business-ethics-pledge.org> Marketing consulting * copywriting * publishing assistance * speaking How to market ethically/effectively: http://www.frugalmarketing.com Ethics Blog: http://principledprofit.blogspot.com/ _________________________________________________