<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><div><div>Hi All,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I'm in the middle of establishing a partnership with a great local org according to the "Agency LLM Initiative (ALI)" with which I began this thread. If anyone is interested in partaking, please email me directly (see signature below).<br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Two rejoinders to past replies in this thread:<br></div><div><br></div><ol dir="ltr"><li>I suppose it's a compliment when someone thinks one's writing was done by an LLM, though I've found LLMs produce the average of very good in output, which is very cost-effective, but LLM writing falls a couple of notches below that of top human writers. I suppose typos like mine would not necessarily indicate that an LLM did not write the text, because one could ask an LLM to produce a few typos to make it seem as though a human wrote it. <br></li><li>Rich mentioned "a number of LLM/Search projects" in the works somewhere. All but the crucial and foundational technical foundation of SEO is indeed accelerated with much lower cost by LLMs, and indeed my ALI venture applies to SEO-CRO first. (The underlying tech of LLMs has been central to search engines like Google since ~2021, uniting SEO and Conversion Rate Optimization or CRO via the nexus of "<a href="https://www.searchenginejournal.com/entity-seo/492947/" target="_blank">Entities</a>"). Like LLMs, ALI applies to most business processes, not merely search marketing.<br></li></ol><div>My firm's website will post a summary and rationale of ALI next week--nothing to see there now on the matter.<br></div><div><br></div><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn" data-sigid="1535369000000073001" data-zbluepencil-ignore="true"><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; margin: 0px"><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif">Best Regards,<br></span></span></div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; min-height: 15px"><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif"><br></span></span></div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; color: rgb(170, 48, 37)"><b><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif">Rob Laporte</span></span></b><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif"><br></span></span></div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; margin: 0px"><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif">CEO | R&D Manager</span><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif"><br></span></span></div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; margin: 0px"><b><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif">DISC - Making Websites Make Money</span></span></b><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif"><br><a href="mailto:Rob@2disc.com" target="_blank">Rob@2disc.com</a>, <span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif">413-584-6500</span></span></span></span><br></div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; margin: 0px"><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif"><a target="_blank" href="https://www.2disc.com">www.2disc.com</a></span></span><span class="size" style="font-size:16px"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif, sans-serif"></span></span><br></div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal"><span class="size" style="font-size:16px"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif, sans-serif"></span></span><br></div><div><b style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal"><span class="size" style="font-size:16px"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif, sans-serif"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(153, 0, 0)">NOTE:</span></span></span></b><span class="size" style="font-size:16px"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif, sans-serif"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(153, 0, 0)"> Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. 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I'll be back Tuesday.<br><br>One remark now though: good books could be written on many each of several sub-topics about the viability of LLM models, and ultimately a venture like I imagine would consist of those whose R&D moves them towards the idea. Most efficient vote by the rest is walking away. That said, I seek salient critiques. For example, that critique regarding financial constraints curtailing availability and function is indeed a paramount concern some say is already starting. <br><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif"><br>Best Regards,<br></span></span></div><div id="x_352650362Zm-_Id_-Sgn"><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; min-height: 15px"><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif"><br></span></span></div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; color: rgb(170, 48, 37)"><b><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif">Rob Laporte</span></span></b><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif"><br></span></span></div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; margin: 0px"><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif">CEO | R&D Manager</span><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif"><br></span></span></div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; margin: 0px"><b><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif">DISC - Making Websites Make Money</span></span></b><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif"><br><a href="mailto:Rob@2disc.com" target="_blank">Rob@2disc.com</a>, <span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif">413-584-6500</span></span></span></span><br></div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; margin: 0px"><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif"><a target="_blank" href="https://www.2disc.com">www.2disc.com</a></span></span><span class="size" style="font-size:16px"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif, sans-serif"></span></span><br></div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal"><span class="size" style="font-size:16px"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif, sans-serif"></span></span><br></div><div><b style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal"><span class="size" style="font-size:16px"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif, sans-serif"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(153, 0, 0)">NOTE:</span></span></span></b><span class="size" style="font-size:16px"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif, sans-serif"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(153, 0, 0)"> Emails can be blocked by spam filters throughout the web. 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aware of a number of LLM/Search projects<br> that I have more detailed inside information on, which as the
business model becomes clearer I might be able to add more <br> details - those are issues that are being explore as we speak.<br></p><p>R.<br></p><div class="x_228655736moz-cite-prefix">On 7/18/2024 1:32 PM, Robert Archer via
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being kept cheap by injections of private equity. There is a
danger that should be brought up that access to these systems
could be curtailed at some point by price point or industry
shake-up, or become problematic as their use is subsidized by
selling the data/schema that are used in them, if they are not
kept within an organization . . .<br></div><div> <br></div><div><div><br></div><blockquote><div>On Jul 18, 2024, at 12:45 PM, Rob Laporte via
Hidden-discuss <a target="_blank" href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" class="x_228655736moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net></a> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.8; margin-right: 9pt; margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 9pt"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Hi All,</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.8; margin-right: 9pt; margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 9pt"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">For several months my firm has been studying </span></span></span><a target="_blank" href="https://www.2disc.com/blog/can-ai-replace-upper-management-lines-in-the-sand/" style="text-decoration: none"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><u style="font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap">LLMs</u></span></span></span></span></a><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">, like ChatGPT, and integrating it throughout our operations. In the process, it occurred to me how our region could counteract the inevitable decrease in paid labor which LLM’s will cause.</span></span></span><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.8; margin-right: 9pt; margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 9pt"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">I imagine that some kind of LLM association could pool talents to create profession-specific “</span></span></span><a target="_blank" href="https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpts/" style="text-decoration: none"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><u style="font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap">GPTs</u></span></span></span></span></a><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">” (or the like with other LLMs). Each profession, like law, accounting, even kinds of retail service and stores, could have a committee to make their GPT based on a master schema established by the overall association. Using such tools, and saying so in marketing communications, could increase the total amount of business per profession. </span></span></span><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span></span><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span></span><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">I’m conferring with State employment agencies about this, and Chambers of Commerce are also candidates for advancing such associations.</span></span></span><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span></span><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span></span><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">There’s much more I can detail about this, but for now I’m just floating the idea for feedback.</span></span></span><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span></span><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span></span><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">I’m leaving on vacation through Monday, after which I’ll eagerly join any conversation that ensues here.</span></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><div class="x_228655736zmail_signature_below"><div id=""><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; margin: 0px"><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif">Best
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