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    <p>not much tech from that techie<br>
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      A simple page download shows a javascript that does a forward to
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ad.afy11.net/srad.js?azId=198107">https://ad.afy11.net/srad.js?azId=198107</a>"<br>
      Which is an ad - which looks like it might be corrupted or simply
      no longer valid<br>
      <br>
      I'd remove that javascript and see that does for you.</p>
    <p>R.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/3/2023 1:51 PM, Shel Horowitz
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        <div dir="ltr">Thanks for your responses, Rich and Alex.
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          <div>@Rich: The page I am trying to load is <span
              style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><a href="http://www.frugalmarketing.com/dtb/dtb-sustain.shtml" target="_blank" style="color:inherit;font-family:-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen-Sans,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue","sans-serif";white-space:pre-wrap" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.frugalmarketing.com/dtb/dtb-sustain.shtml</a><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.87);font-family:-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen-Sans,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue","sans-serif";white-space:pre-wrap"> The page it loads instead is </span></span><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.87);font-family:-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen-Sans,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue","sans-serif";white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><a href="http://ww82.afy11.net" moz-do-not-send="true">ww82.afy11.net</a> </span></div>
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              Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Open Sans, Helvetica Neue,
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          <div><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.87);font-family:-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen-Sans,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue","sans-serif";white-space:pre-wrap">Just to see what happened, I tried https--and the page doesn't load at all (but there is an https version of the overall website).</span></div>
          <div><font color="rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"><font face="-apple-system, system-ui, Segoe UI, Roboto, Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Open Sans, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif" color="rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)">
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          <div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"><font face="-apple-system, system-ui, Segoe UI, Roboto, Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Open Sans, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif"><font color="#000000">The tech person checked the </font></font></span> .htaccess
            page and didn't see any scripts. I am not sure you mean by
            what web page tool. My browser is Chrome and my File manager
            is part of the CPanel.</div>
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          <div><font><font>@Alex: It's actually not in WordPress. Most
                of my newer sites are but this one was put up in 1999
                and has about 2000 pages of content, so Inever converted
                it. I did run it through the checker you suggested and
                discovered three files related to a cart on a site that
                doesn't have  a cart. One of those wouldn't load for the
                checker--and I couldn't open it in File Manager. But
                that file has a 2020 modification date and there is no
                cart file in the subfolder that has the domain where my
                shopping cart actually lives (<a
                  href="http://shelhorowitz.com" moz-do-not-send="true">shelhorowitz.com</a>,
                which is a directory on frugalmarketing)--so I think it
                probably IS my current cart and I don't want to mess
                with it.<br clear="all">
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                          <div>Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"</div>
                          <div>________________________________________________</div>
                          <div>Contact me to bake in profitability while
                            addressing hunger, </div>
                          <div>poverty, war, and catastrophic climate
                            change</div>
                          <div>* First business ever to be Green America
                            Gold Certified</div>
                          <div>* Inducted into the National
                            Environmental Hall of Fame</div>
                          <div>* Certified speaker: International
                            Platform Association</div>
                          <div><a
                              href="https://goingbeyondsustainability.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://goingbeyondsustainability.com</a> </div>
                          <div>mailto:<a
                              href="mailto:shel@greenandprofitable.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">shel@greenandprofitable.com</a>
                            413-586-2388</div>
                          <div>Award-winning, best-selling author of 10
                            books. </div>
                          <div>Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the
                            World </div>
                          <div>(co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Watch my TEDx Talk,</div>
                          <div>"Impossible is a Dare: Business for a
                            Better World"</div>
                          <div><a
                              href="http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809</a> </div>
                          <div>(move your mouse to "event videos")</div>
                          <div>_________________________________________________</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at
            12:33 PM Rich@tnr via Hidden-discuss <<a
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              <p>care to share ? the link in question that is -- also
                what web page tool are you using ?<br>
                Quick guess - look at .htaccess</p>
              <p>Email link directly if you won't want to share on the
                list<br>
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              <div>On 4/3/2023 11:56 AM, Shel Horowitz via
                Hidden-discuss wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">Oy! A key links page on one of my sites
                  now loads a junk parked page. This happens whether I
                  click to it from another link or type in the full
                  URL. 
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                  <div>An hour chat with a human at tech support left me
                    with nothing but frustration. They take zero
                    responsibility for this security breach and say it
                    was on my end and I should buy, install, and run
                    sitelock. As I recall, I previously had sitelock
                    installed and it was very annoying in the process
                    required to do anything. <br>
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                    <div>I went into my Hostgator CPanel, changed the
                      PW, and checked the file. It is the file I last
                      updated in 2019 (which is good, as this would have
                      been a very difficult page to recreate). I
                      searched both the entire file manager and the file
                      that is redirecting for the URL of the page it
                      loads and I also checked the file itself for
                      the word "redirect." Whatever they are hacking
                      does not seem to be the actual file.</div>
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                    <div>How can I figure out what's jamming my site and
                      get rid of it?</div>
                    <div><br>
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                    <div>If Passover, Easter, or Ramadan is a holiday
                      you celebrate, I hope yours is blessed and joyful.</div>
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                    <div>Thanks, as always,<br clear="all">
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                                    <div>Shel Horowitz - "The
                                      Transformpreneur"</div>
                                    <div>________________________________________________</div>
                                    <div>Contact me to bake in
                                      profitability while addressing
                                      hunger, </div>
                                    <div>poverty, war, and catastrophic
                                      climate change</div>
                                    <div>* First business ever to be
                                      Green America Gold Certified</div>
                                    <div>* Inducted into the National
                                      Environmental Hall of Fame</div>
                                    <div>* Certified speaker:
                                      International Platform Association</div>
                                    <div><a
                                        href="https://goingbeyondsustainability.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://goingbeyondsustainability.com</a> </div>
                                    <div>mailto:<a
                                        href="mailto:shel@greenandprofitable.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">shel@greenandprofitable.com</a>
                                      413-586-2388</div>
                                    <div>Award-winning, best-selling
                                      author of 10 books. </div>
                                    <div>Latest: Guerrilla Marketing to
                                      Heal the World </div>
                                    <div>(co-authored with Jay Conrad
                                      Levinson)</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Watch my TEDx Talk,</div>
                                    <div>"Impossible is a Dare: Business
                                      for a Better World"</div>
                                    <div><a
                                        href="http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809</a> </div>
                                    <div>(move your mouse to "event
                                      videos")</div>
                                    <div>_________________________________________________</div>
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              <pre cols="72">-- 
Rich Roth
CEO TnR Global

Bio and personal blog: <a href="http://rizbang.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://rizbang.com</a>
Building the really big sites:      <a href="http://www.tnrglobal.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.tnrglobal.com</a>
Small/Soho business in the PV:        <a href="http://www.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.hidden-tech.net</a>
Places to meet for business:        <a href="http://www.meetmewhere.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.meetmewhere.com</a>
And for Arts and relaxation:
<a href="http://TarotMuertos.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://TarotMuertos.com</a> - Artistic Tarot Deck
   <a href="http://www.welovemuseums.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.welovemuseums.com</a>
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Shakers: <a href="http://www.shakerpedia.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.shakerpedia.com/</a>
Helping move the world:             <a href="http://www.earththrives.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.earththrives.com</a></pre>
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Rich Roth
CEO TnR Global

Bio and personal blog: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://rizbang.com">http://rizbang.com</a>
Building the really big sites:      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.tnrglobal.com">http://www.tnrglobal.com</a>
Small/Soho business in the PV:        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.hidden-tech.net">http://www.hidden-tech.net</a>
Places to meet for business:        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.meetmewhere.com">http://www.meetmewhere.com</a>
And for Arts and relaxation:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://TarotMuertos.com">http://TarotMuertos.com</a> - Artistic Tarot Deck
   <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.welovemuseums.com">http://www.welovemuseums.com</a>
   <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.artonmytv.com/">http://www.artonmytv.com/</a>
Shakers: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.shakerpedia.com/">http://www.shakerpedia.com/</a>
Helping move the world:             <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.earththrives.com">http://www.earththrives.com</a></pre>
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