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<p><font face="Calibri">Not deriding your thoughts, Tim, but this
sounds very much like what they're building in China, except its
also linked to your bank and your doctor and the jails and the
government and the government and the government. When you
receive a phone call, there is a side message letting you know
if the reputation "level" or whatever they call it, is above or
below yours. If it's way below yours, you are warned about
associating with this person.</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Hard to tell how this will all shake out.
Who knows. We may go back to paper.</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Mik</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/18/2023 10:33 AM, R. David Murray
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">That's not to say it's the apocalypse - just a logical consequence. In the
long run, what *would* work is a web where every piece of content is
cryptographically signed, and attributable to an actual human, and handled
by browsers and similar the same way the "green bar" for https is. But
anything like that is years away.
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I actually put a lot of thought into this a few years back, thinking it
might be fun to start working on such a system. It turns out it is a
Hard Problem, both because cryptographically signed content is not easy
to retrofit into browsers securely, but also because it is impossible to
know for certain where the content actually originated. In your
example, even if you've found a way to link the key to a verified human,
how do you prove the human with the private key actually generated their
own content?
So what you end up needing is a *reputation* system. Basically you need
a truly *distributed* reputation algorithm, and you probably end up with
various levels: reputation brokers that have their own reputation,
friend networks where you've actually met the person with the key, etc.
Analogous to the GPG key signing model, but with a more sophisticated
reputation algorithm derived from a continuous stream of ratings made by
key holders interacting with other key holders. Those ratings are
analogous to client/vendor ratings on amazon and other such
marketplaces, but applied to all interactions, not just purchase and
sale activity.
I contemplated what it would take to build a phone ap for this, but the
problem with that is that making a peer to peer connection between
phones is hard (no public address), which means you are depending on
servers. So, someone could take this on as a business and build the
servers, but then you lose the decentralization that is critical to
being able to build a trust network instead of having to trust a single
business entity (and we all know how well that turns out in the long
run). Might have still worked if done as open source.
But, it was while going down that trust rabbit hole that I gave up,
because I'm lazy and it looked like a *lot* of work and, at least at the
time, very little likelihood of any uptake ;) I think the latter is
still true...for now.
I think if someone actually wants to work on this it would probably be
best done as an extension of B2B blockchain technology. I went down
*that* rabbit hole for a while, but at the time the software in that
space wasn't mature enough to serve as a practical platform for this. I
wonder if that has changed...
--David
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