<div dir="ltr">Hey Don,<div><br></div><div>Agree with what you're saying and obviously I haven't completely given up attempting to get work, at least, because I do love what I do despite the heartache I've received and gone through. That said, it's also hindered me as a designer due to having to work as much as I have to make ends meet and finding little time to practice. But I hear you and I thank you for your words. You're definitely someone I wished I had spoken to years ago, honestly, given your background and history. Appreciate your words and will be taking them to heart and definitely into consideration.</div><div><br></div><div>Denise</div></div><div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br>
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<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">If you are looking for
film/video jobs, there are quite a few Facebook groups that have
active postings. Most of it I think is for film crews, logistics,
actors, producers, ex., though.</font><br>
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<div>On 2022-09-01 8:59 PM, Donald M Stevens
via Hidden-discuss wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good Evening, Denise, Val & all,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is difficult to get started or even
survive as an entrepreneur….</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It can be very challenging, disappointing,
down right crushing at times…</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">However, isn’t that why we do it? Don’t we
all know that we are really, really good at something,
reasonably priced, good value….. but it seems no one knows
about us?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have worked for folks, worked for myself,
began businesses, took businesses over, been laid off, fired,
quit…..etc…..</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But I know I am a “Serial Entrepreneur” ….</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My two cents is/are</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If you love what you do, keep doing it,
find a way, try something different, let people know what you
can do, donate some of your talent where it might be noticed
by paying customers, network, etc…</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">And in the words of Jimmy V</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“don’t give up, don’t ever give up!!!!”</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is totally worth it….</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Don Stevens</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>TFI Technologies</b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>“we are here to help you….”</i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">329 Pease Road</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">East Longmeadow, MA 01028</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Office: 413.308.4511</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Cell / Text: 860.614.4153</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Email: <a href="mailto:dstevens@tryandfindit.com" target="_blank"><span>dstevens@tryandfindit.com</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">LinkedIn:
<a href="http://linkedin.com/in/don-stevens-504aa6b" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/don-stevens-504aa6b</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Skype: tryandfindit</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Hidden-discuss
<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss-bounces@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank"><hidden-discuss-bounces@lists.hidden-tech.net></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Denise Batalha via Hidden-discuss<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 1, 2022 10:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shel Horowitz <a href="mailto:shel@principledprofit.com" target="_blank"><shel@principledprofit.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Hidden-Tech Listserv
<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank"><hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Hidden-tech] where to look for creative
freelancer gig postings</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'm speaking from my own experience and
it's not exactly positive, so I'm prefacing with that in
case people are in the mood to "flame", since the internet
has become just so toxic as of late.</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I've been trying to get (more) work for
so many years. Keep in mind, should you be any sort of
creative (I'm a graphic designer, primarily, but more of a
"jack of all trades" kind of digital creator, so to
speak), freelancing could possibly hurt your chances of
finding work in a company, should freelancing be
your "supplemental", or in my case a way of gaining
experience whilst sharpening/updating your skills. Too
many companies seek someone who has worked in a design
house, as if to say freelancers don't have any experience
with customers/clientele. Personally, I've given up trying
to find any semblance of freelance work. I've tried
Fiverr, but then you're competing with literally designers
of the world who would be willing to do the same exact
work for much less (perhaps cost of living is much cheaper
on their side of the planet??). I've tried finding
mentors, I've asked people in the business (literally dog
eat dog world in the creative side of business, when you'd
think otherwise) who might as well just tell me to "google
it". I honestly believed when I was younger the creative
world was much more accepting and helpful and learned the
exact opposite. Content creators of other sides of
creativity (bakers, pastry chefs, crafters, etc) are much
more helpful than digital designers. I might as well get
the finger. This has been an ongoing battle for me for
YEARS on top of the attempt at getting my foot in the door
after I graduated back in 2008 (which I finally got one
with Johnny Rockets, but that lasted 8 months thanks to
the pandemic, which hurt many businesses).</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry to sound so negative, but just
want to be honest of what others could potentially
experience. I've been attempting to steer youngins in a
STEM path and away from digital creative fields, only
due to the simple fact that it is so saturated and many
of these jobs are also outsourced; and as
aforementioned, you're competing with the planet, as
opposed to others in your geographical area. I was told
about this email group in hopes of gaining employment,
and it didn't help me much, either, though I've
volunteered bidding for a logo in the past, and have
offered insight in other areas, so it's not a total
"waste of time". Plus, I've contributed more in the past
than I do today.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I personally wish I was more helpful
and wished I knew of areas in which freelancers could
obtain more work, but as I stated, it depends on where
you seek to find work. </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Again, speaking of my experience, not
necessarily as a warning, but more of a "heads up: this
could possibly happen". </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Denise</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:07 AM Shel
Horowitz via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">In addition to general networking and
skill-posting sites for freelancers, don't neglect
communities of interest within the genre they are trying
to serve. When people participate actively and use an
e-mail sig that highlights their strengths without being
pushy, many conversations open up.</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">It also helps to really go after a
niche rather than just everyone with a need. For
exaple, in my copywriting and marketing consulting, I
focus on two areas: 1) businesses with a commitment to
social change and environmental healing, and 2) people
i the book world.<br>
</p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Shel Horowitz -
"The Transformpreneur"</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">________________________________________________</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Contact me to bake
in profitability while addressing
hunger, </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">poverty, war, and
catastrophic climate change</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">* First business
ever to be Green America Gold
Certified</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">* Inducted into the
National Environmental Hall of Fame</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">* Certified
speaker: International Platform
Association</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://goingbeyondsustainability.com" target="_blank">https://goingbeyondsustainability.com</a> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">mailto:<a href="mailto:shel@greenandprofitable.com" target="_blank">shel@greenandprofitable.com</a>
413-586-2388</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Award-winning,
best-selling author of 10 books. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Latest: Guerrilla
Marketing to Heal the World </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">(co-authored with
Jay Conrad Levinson)</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Watch my TEDx Talk,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">"Impossible is a
Dare: Business for a Better World"</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809" target="_blank">http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809</a> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">(move your mouse to
"event videos")</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">_________________________________________________</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 11:41 AM
Val Nelson via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi HT community,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I know many creative
freelancers who want to get their new businesses
more off the ground. So I am wondering what
places you would look for finding gigs, such as
for video editing gigs. Any websites coming to
mind that seem legit? Do you have a favorite? </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>They are doing networking
and such, and I'm just wondering about
additional places to look for gigs online. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In the meantime, if you
have a need for an experienced video editor (for
small biz videos), I can get you in touch with
someone good. I also know some great
illustrators and copywriters. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank you!</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Val</span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>______________________________</span></b><b><span><br>
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