<div dir="ltr">Hey Don,<div><br></div><div>Agree with what you're saying and obviously I haven't completely given up attempting to get work, at least, because I do love what I do despite the heartache I've received and gone through. That said, it's also hindered me as a designer due to having to work as much as I have to make ends meet and finding little time to practice. But I hear you and I thank you for your words. You're definitely someone I wished I had spoken to years ago, honestly, given your background and history. Appreciate your words and will be taking them to heart and definitely into consideration.</div><div><br></div><div>Denise</div></div><div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br>
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    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">If you are looking for
      film/video jobs, there are quite a few Facebook groups that have
      active postings.  Most of it I think is for film crews, logistics,
      actors, producers, ex., though.</font><br>
    <pre cols="72">Aaron E-J
The Other Realm
<a href="http://otherrealm.org" target="_blank">http://otherrealm.org</a>
<a href="http://theotherrealm.org" target="_blank">http://theotherrealm.org</a> (Blog)</pre>
    <div>On 2022-09-01 8:59 PM, Donald M Stevens
      via Hidden-discuss wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Good Evening, Denise, Val & all,</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">It is difficult to get started or even
          survive as an entrepreneur….</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">It can be very challenging, disappointing,
          down right crushing at times…</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">However, isn’t that why we do it? Don’t we
          all know that we are really, really good at something,
          reasonably priced, good value….. but it seems no one knows
          about us?</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I have worked for folks, worked for myself,
          began businesses, took businesses over, been laid off, fired,
          quit…..etc…..</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">But I know I am a “Serial Entrepreneur” ….</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">My two cents is/are</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">If you love what you do, keep doing it,
          find a way, try something different, let people know what you
          can do, donate some of your talent where it might be noticed
          by paying customers, network, etc…</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">And  in the words of Jimmy V</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">“don’t give up, don’t ever give up!!!!”</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">It is totally worth it….</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Don Stevens</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>TFI Technologies</b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i>“we are here to help you….”</i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">329 Pease Road</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">East Longmeadow, MA 01028</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Office: 413.308.4511</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Cell / Text: 860.614.4153</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Email: <a href="mailto:dstevens@tryandfindit.com" target="_blank"><span>dstevens@tryandfindit.com</span></a></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">LinkedIn:
          <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/don-stevens-504aa6b" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/don-stevens-504aa6b</a></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Skype: tryandfindit</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Hidden-discuss
            <a href="mailto:hidden-discuss-bounces@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank"><hidden-discuss-bounces@lists.hidden-tech.net></a>
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Denise Batalha via Hidden-discuss<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 1, 2022 10:28 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Shel Horowitz <a href="mailto:shel@principledprofit.com" target="_blank"><shel@principledprofit.com></a><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> Hidden-Tech Listserv
            <a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank"><hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net></a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Hidden-tech] where to look for creative
            freelancer gig postings</p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">I'm speaking from my own experience and
            it's not exactly positive, so I'm prefacing with that in
            case people are in the mood to "flame", since the internet
            has become just so toxic as of late.</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">I've been trying to get (more) work for
              so many years. Keep in mind, should you be any sort of
              creative (I'm a graphic designer, primarily, but more of a
              "jack of all trades" kind of digital creator, so to
              speak), freelancing could possibly hurt your chances of
              finding work in a company, should freelancing be
              your "supplemental", or in my case a way of gaining
              experience whilst sharpening/updating your skills. Too
              many companies seek someone who has worked in a design
              house, as if to say freelancers don't have any experience
              with customers/clientele. Personally, I've given up trying
              to find any semblance of freelance work. I've tried
              Fiverr, but then you're competing with literally designers
              of the world who would be willing to do the same exact
              work for much less (perhaps cost of living is much cheaper
              on their side of the planet??). I've tried finding
              mentors, I've asked people in the business (literally dog
              eat dog world in the creative side of business, when you'd
              think otherwise) who might as well just tell me to "google
              it". I honestly believed when I was younger the creative
              world was much more accepting and helpful and learned the
              exact opposite. Content creators of other sides of
              creativity (bakers, pastry chefs, crafters, etc) are much
              more helpful than digital designers. I might as well get
              the finger. This has been an ongoing battle for me for
              YEARS on top of the attempt at getting my foot in the door
              after I graduated back in 2008 (which I finally got one
              with Johnny Rockets, but that lasted 8 months thanks to
              the pandemic, which hurt many businesses).</p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Sorry to sound so negative, but just
                want to be honest of what others could potentially
                experience. I've been attempting to steer youngins in a
                STEM path and away from digital creative fields, only
                due to the simple fact that it is so saturated and many
                of these jobs are also outsourced; and as
                aforementioned, you're competing with the planet, as
                opposed to others in your geographical area. I was told
                about this email group in hopes of gaining employment,
                and it didn't help me much, either, though I've
                volunteered bidding for a logo in the past, and have
                offered insight in other areas, so it's not a total
                "waste of time". Plus, I've contributed more in the past
                than I do today.</p>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">I personally wish I was more helpful
                and wished I knew of areas in which freelancers could
                obtain more work, but as I stated, it depends on where
                you seek to find work. </p>
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          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Again, speaking of my experience, not
              necessarily as a warning, but more of a "heads up: this
              could possibly happen". </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Denise</p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:07 AM Shel
              Horowitz via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>>
              wrote:</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">In addition to general networking and
                skill-posting sites for freelancers, don't neglect
                communities of interest within the genre they are trying
                to serve. When people participate actively and use an
                e-mail sig that highlights their strengths without being
                pushy, many conversations open up.</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">It also helps to really go after a
                  niche rather than just everyone with a need. For
                  exaple, in my copywriting and marketing consulting, I
                  focus on two areas: 1) businesses with a commitment to
                  social change and environmental healing, and 2) people
                  i the book world.<br>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Shel Horowitz -
                                  "The Transformpreneur"</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Award-winning,
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Latest: Guerrilla
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                <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 11:41 AM
                  Val Nelson via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>>
                  wrote:</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi HT community,</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I know many creative
                        freelancers who want to get their new businesses
                        more off the ground. So I am wondering what
                        places you would look for finding gigs, such as
                        for video editing gigs. Any websites coming to
                        mind that seem legit? Do you have a favorite? </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>They are doing networking
                        and such, and I'm just wondering about
                        additional places to look for gigs online. </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>In the meantime, if you
                        have a need for an experienced video editor (for
                        small biz videos), I can get you in touch with
                        someone good. I also know some great
                        illustrators and copywriters. </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank you!</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Val</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>______________________________</span></b><b><span><br>
                                </span></b><b><i><span>Val Nelson</span></i></b><span></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>THE BLACK SWAN
                                COACH</span><span></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>career ~ business
                                ~ <i>impact </i></span><span></span></p>
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