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<p class="MsoNormal">Hey Duane,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was thinking,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Do you have a cloud account / hosting company where you could put this video.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Then the streaming would be off your network on up to each individual that would be watching from their own location…..<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Just a thought.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Donald M Stevens <dstevens@tryandfindit.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 06, 2021 12:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Duane Dale <duane.dale@gmail.com>; Hidden-Tech Tech <hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Hidden-tech] Advice sought: Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's phones drain bandwidth...?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">1. Have you tested on an off day when little to no one is there using the wifi?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">2. Which internet service are you using?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">3. What device actually provides the wifi?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">4. I use the wired wifi extender setup whenever possible back to your main wifi device.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">5. Have you considered turning off guest access during video presentations?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">There's more,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Yes. Brick or block walls, distance, the amount of users. Etc... Will all contribute to bandwidth usage
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss-bounces@lists.hidden-tech.net">hidden-discuss-bounces@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> on behalf of Duane Dale via Hidden-discuss
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 6, 2021 11:32:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hidden-Tech Tech <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Hidden-tech] Advice sought: Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's phones drain bandwidth...?</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Holiday greetings, Hidden Tech. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My church has been offering live streaming of its Sunday services via its YouTube channel.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hiccups in the video (and audio) stream are common. (And those hiccups show up when streaming the recorded version after-the-fact.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">An iPhone in the sanctuary is doing the "capture" and is connected by WiFi to a cable modem/router in an adjoining room (outside the stone walls of the church).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some people place blame on those stone walls, but my speedcheck in an otherwise-empty sanctuary shows a pretty consistent ~25 Mbps up and down.<o:p></o:p></p>
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As a possible solution, a WiFi extender in the sanctuary, wired with CAT6 to the modem/router, has been tried with apparent success for small mid-week services, and we may start using it for the Sunday services.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>But here's my question: <br>
</b>Can passive WiFi use by a crowd's phones drain bandwidth and/or slow transmission speeds?<br>
Imagine a Sunday service with 100+ people in the space.<br>
Imagine that a majority have smartphones in their pockets, and some % of those are on, with WiFi enabled,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and some % of <i>those</i> have used the WiFi modem/router in question and have stored its password.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let's say 25 such phones, though it might possibly be 50.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Assume that no one is making intentional use of WiFi (streaming the service, watching movies, checking emails...) other than the "official" streaming iPhone,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">but some (most?) of those with WiFi enabled might have connected "automatically" to the modem/router in question and are doing passive tasks, unattended.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With 25-50 such phones, could that raid bandwidth enough to cause hiccups in a live video upload?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(Or if not with 25-50 phones, what about 250-500 such phones in a larger hall? Or some even-larger number?)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If that could be a problem, are there solutions other than the obvious one -- asking everyone to power off, or use airplane mode, etc.??<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Or some sort of temporary lock-out of all but the preferred device?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for any insights and advice.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Duane Dale<o:p></o:p></p>
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