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<p><font face="Calibri">We've had several clients come to us over
the years because they couldn't deal with WordPress. One even
said they were ready to "lay themselves down on the tracks" if
they had to continue using it. We now have three sites with
them. This is not to say our solution is the best, or even tenth
best, but we give the less tech savvy customers a simple "click
the red edit button, edit the text, click the red save changes
button" style of interface. Not many bells and whistles and only
a little click and dragginess. Our clients appear to like it and
about 10% of them log in to add new content, sometimes sending
me an email asking for a refresher.</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Not all clients are equal, and many of the
clients other HT-ers have probably wouldn't like what we have,
and so c'est la vie.<br>
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<p><font face="Calibri">Similar to Chad, our business model is to
build the site, quickly and cheaply, and teach the client how to
run it -- all while collecting the hosting fees for ourselves
(instead of Wix, etc). As in the shaver industry, it's all about
the blades.</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Mik<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Mik Muller, president
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<div dir="ltr">As a new developer this year I struggled
with Wordpress and even a little bit with Squarespace before I
learned full stack and Python. I personally use WIX right now
and find that it is going to be the best for " handing it off
to the client". WIX also allows " old school CSS " which is
kind of a great feature. My business model is to build the
site and teach the client how to run it.
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at
11:42 PM GLP via Hidden-discuss <<a
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<div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">They all have a
learning curve. I certainly don't consider SquareSpace all
that simple for end-users. That said, I don't have any
issues with someone using SquareSpace or Weebly if it does
what they need. The ones I worry about are things like
Godaddy's page builder or something much more limited in
scope. That is the kind of thing that has disappeared
before. By the time you add a maintenance contract to
a WordPress site, the client is paying the same as they
would (maybe more, if there are paid plugins or they're
getting gouged by the maintainer) for a hosted
platform. SquareSpace and Weebly are multi-million-dollar
companies and unlikely to disappear. And it's their
sole/core business (unlike Adobe Business Catalyst). I
would feel much more comfortable setting someone up
on SquareSpace or Weebly than Joomla in terms of future
support and compatibility.
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<div dir="ltr">Hi, folks.
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<div>I have a client who is really set on using
a web designer who works on these proprietary
platforms and doesn't do WordPress. I
expressed concern about these sites' lack of
portability and got back this response:</div>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">None of
the platforms I work on can be independently
hosted; they must be hosted on their
proprietary platforms. WordPress sites can
be hosted independently, but I chose not to
work on WordPress because I find it hard to
design on and hard for those who want to
maintain their sites themselves. Most of my
clients are ok with adding minor updates
like new text on these platforms, but
usually come back to me for adding new
pages. With that said though, I chose
Squarespace and Weebly (and Square Online,
which runs on Weebly) because I deemed these
were the easiest website builders for
non-tech people to use after testing a
number of products.</blockquote>
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<div>To which I replied (relevant excerpt)...</div>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I know
[Client] really wants to work with you,
but I have deep concerns about building on
a platform that the client can't control.
If WordPress disappears, sites built in
(but not hosted by) WordPress are fine,
though they became more difficult to
update.</blockquote>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I
don't know if one can display the code
from a Weebly or Squarespace site, copy
it, and bring it to another host. If that
is possible, if there's a way to strip out
the parts of the code that are
platform-specific and leave a functioning
HTML page, I would be a lot more
comfortable.<br>
Having seen Facebook first encourage and
then sabotage FBML, and having seen
properties like Plaxo and some of the
early free webhosts go defunct and leave
their users utterly stranded, I am
not keen on building a site that can only
be hosted by one specific host.</blockquote>
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<div>She is, of course, right about
WordPress. When it first came out,
it was very easy to use, but now
it often drives me nuts. I have
one WP site that's built in
building blocks that I can't seem
to locate, and have had to go back
to the designer (who is now
unavailable) for very simple
changes. But I think nobody has to
use those features unless they
want to, and it should be possible
to design a site in less-fancy
WordPress. And the big thing for
me is how nervous I am about not
having more than one hosting
option.</div>
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