<div dir="auto">Very cool! Can I ask what made you decide not to pursue the Holochain project?</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 9:59 AM Tom Murray <<a href="mailto:tommurray.us@gmail.com">tommurray.us@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">FYI I have a <a href="https://holochain.org/" target="_blank">Holochain</a> server box that I never set up, willing to lend. </div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On May 10, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Bellak via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto">Hi Rob,<div><br></div><div>I’m interested in joining the group.</div><div><br></div><div>I have a Gemini account and we have following the space on and off for several years.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Andrew<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);font-size:13pt">Andrew Bellak</span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">CEO<br>Registered Investment Advisor<br><br><a href="mailto:andrew@StakeholdersCapital.com" target="_blank">andrew@StakeholdersCapital.com</a><br><a href="http://www.stakeholderscapital.com/" target="_blank">www.StakeholdersCapital.com</a><br>(o) <a dir="ltr" href="tel:888-STK-HLDR" target="_blank">888-STK-HLDR</a> (<a dir="ltr" href="tel:785-4537" target="_blank">785-4537</a>) x.2<br><span>(o) <span id="m_7505817812094756304m_2296349865580339675gc-number-50" title="Call with Google Voice"><a dir="ltr" href="tel:413-306-3244" target="_blank">413-306-3244</a></span></span><br>(f) <a dir="ltr" href="tel:888-735-HLDR" target="_blank">888-735-HLDR</a> (4537)<br><br>skype = andrewbellak<br>twitter = stakeholderscap</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">linkedin = <a href="http://ow.ly/4nn255" target="_blank">http://ow.ly/4nn255</a></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">facebook = <a href="https://www.facebook.com/StakeHoldersCapital/" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/StakeHoldersCapital/</a></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br><br>This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. 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I am still on the Hidden Tech list, lurking, lurking...<br><br>I have a few thoughts about crypto and a good deal of experience in that space, but they are bound to be contrarian. <div><br></div><div>#1) The main selling point at the moment is for its perceived anti-inflationary properties. e.g. Bitcoin has an algorithmically fixed supply -- it won't be affected in the same way by Biden printing more money to fund a Coronavirus - slumped economy. Except that Ethereum is the hottest property at the moment, and it is not a deflationary currency. It does have some extremely interesting and valuable properties -- for instance, enabling decentralized apps (or DAPPS) -- "smart contracts" that execute automatically and are self-enforcing in any jurisdiction.</div><div><br></div><div>#2) Crypto is not a carbon-neutral technology. Newer innovations like Holochain offer promise in this area, but for the Bitcoin blockchain and other mined Proof-of-Work currencies, transactions carry a significantly higher energy footprint than traditional fiat-based secure e-commerce. This was the main reason I got out of the space .</div><div><br></div><div>#3) For those unaware, we have an unprecedented ransomware cyber-attack to our energy infrastructure playing out right now, as hackers have shut down Colonial Pipeline, which supplies much of the East Coast with gasoline from Texas to New Jersey. This is expected to impact fuel prices and other economic indicators nationwide, but the real question on my mind is whether Biden and Congress will "fight back" by introducing legislation making it more difficult to use Bitcoin -- the primary currency for ransomware. An outright ban is unlikely, but even saber-rattling could cause a 20-30% slump in the prices of leading coins.<br><div><br></div><div>With this in mind, I would say that while speculating in coin is fun and easy, volatility has not gone away. I do not advise anyone investing a significant portion of their assets in this space if they are unfamiliar with it, especially because we are at the top of the market. Happy to discuss further.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>TG</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div><br></div><div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Tess Gadwa<br><br></font></div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Product Architect</font></div><div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><a href="http://lotus.fm/" target="_blank">Lotus.fm</a></font></div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">971-412-2493</font></div></div></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 10:43 AM Rich@tnr via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><p>check in with Tess (founded Yes computer in GF and moved to
Portland) -- she's done some work in blockchain and has some
ideas,<br>
too detailed for me to try to repeat.</p><p><br>
</p><p>If you don't have her contact I can dig it out.<br>
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over 25 years at my firm, I have made a system for vetting
cryptocurrencies to invest in. It makes very efficient the
process of scoring several key attributes according to
underlying data provided by <a href="http://Messari.io" target="_blank">Messari.io</a> and other resource
websites. Even with efficiency, however, it takes time, and I
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