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    <p><font face="Calibri">I try not to give Jeff Bezos even one more
        dime, so will likely never wind up on AWS. Amazon's reach into
        the household with their live mics on the smart speaker freaks
        me out (I mean, hasn't ANYONE read 1984?). One hundred percent
        it's mining your conversations for marketing info. I just don't
        trust him or his products.</font></p>
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    <p><font face="Calibri">If I had a lot of sites and needed to
        consolidate, I would find an inexpensive colo company who, if
        they sell out, will be sold to another colo company who probably
        will not interfere with the server you're leasing. Once you have
        your own box out there, you are free to do whatever you want
        with it. And if it's big enough you can build a semi-cloud
        inside via virtual networks and shared drives, if need be.</font></p>
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    <p><font face="Calibri">My associate who helps me with higher-end
        server issues uses <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="https://www.colocrossing.com/">https://www.colocrossing.com/</a>
        and swears by them. They have eight server farms located around
        the country. Choose the colocation closest to your audience;
        rack space size (single unit, half-rack, full rack); and server
        size.<br>
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    <p><font face="Calibri">For instance, choosing NY location, single
        machine space and a "bronze" level machine gets you some fairly
        powerful resources for about $120/mo, especially if you're on
        Linux etc. A machine like that could definitely run a few dozen
        thin websites. If you were to host client sites, even at
        $10/each, you'd still be making some profit... enough to
        possibly make it worth your while as a side gig.<br>
      </font></p>
    <ul>
      <li><font face="Calibri"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="https://www.colocrossing.com/colocation/new-york-city-colocation/">https://www.colocrossing.com/colocation/new-york-city-colocation/</a></font></li>
      <li><font face="Calibri"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="https://www.colocrossing.com/server/dedicated-servers/">https://www.colocrossing.com/server/dedicated-servers/</a></font></li>
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    <p>Mik</p>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://MontagueWebWorks.com">http://MontagueWebWorks.com</a>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/21/2021 3:49 PM, Rich@tnr via
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      <p>For some yes, for others no:</p>
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      <p>I divide the web sites into 3 major categories, I am not
        including  high end commercial online businesses: <br>
                    the likes of google and amazon, these are beyond any
        discussion here.<br>
        <br>
        1)  commercial sites with a major commitment to providing
        content online or generating business.<br>
              These clearly need what Rob is describing, and are well
        advised to have such pros on their teams.<br>
              We worked with such a site for over 10 years, moving from
        dedicated multiple load-balanced web servers, database and
        Elasticsearch search engine,<br>
               moving to AWS as cloud services developed -- there were
        teams from 3 companies in this project: <a
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          href="https://www.thomasnet.com/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.thomasnet.com/</a><br>
        <br>
        2) semi-commercial, and smaller non-profit sites: these support
        organizations with long term goals, and where commercial, <br>
                     they don't expect the bulk of their business from
        the web or are not revenue driven.<br>
             I would expect them to rely on managed hosting with
        security features and call in consultants for setup, for
        maintenance and to work on security.<br>
             When this doesn't happen, they often lose their site for
        various reasons.  These need to hear what Rob is saying and
        don't drop the ball.<br>
            The better hosting companies can be a good choice them.<br>
        <br>
             For years, I've been providing a number of local
        organizations probono domain registration because when they do
        not commit the resources<br>
             to maintaining their web presence, esp, when the
        organization goes through changes, they can lose their domain
        because they miss the renewal,</p>
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      <p>3) The low end, or hobby, sites.  These are fits for the cheap
        end hosting and will definitely get hit by the technology and
        company shifts that Rob predicts.<br>
        It takes a experienced web developer to address these changes OR
        one becomes one fairly quickly.<br>
        It is wise to expect such changes and keep reasonable offline
        (or alternate cloud) backups.  Personally I have a set of local
        local linux boxes and a drobo raid-like backup system.  But then
        I am spinning down from decades of very hi-tech work so I'm not
        a good one to compare to.<br>
        <br>
        One idea occurred to me, In looking at the hcoop group and
        looking at how I want to address the issues with Siteground,
        would be an mutual support coop web service.<br>
        The hcoop is far too different from what I found I'd like to
        use.  I am drifting toward getting a vps to run the 50 or so
        web  sites I have and am still looking.<br>
        My deadline is to make a choice by may/june so I can move off
        the SG system by Dec with more control going forward included.<br>
        Note: i am running HT lists on a AWS nano instance as well as
        using Elasticsearch on aws for a number of sites include
        Shakerpedia.<br>
        What this all means is that my budget is a bit higher than most.<br>
        Any other suggestions or alternate ideas welcome.</p>
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      <p>Stay well all - Rich<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/21/2021 11:45 AM, Rob Laporte
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          proven true: dedicated Pros like Mik and <a
            href="https://nubbernaut.com/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://nubbernaut.com/</a> (and
          I'm sure others on this list and in western MA), are required
          these days. Rarely do webmaster generalists have the deep tech
          background and dedicated time to keep up with web hosting
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                    Officer | Founder | Chairman</span></p>
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                      href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/2disc/"
                      title="https://www.linkedin.com/in/2disc/"
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                      href="https://www.2disc.com"
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                      moz-do-not-send="true">2DISC.com</a></span></p>
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            Hidden-discuss <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
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            on behalf of Michael Muller via Hidden-discuss <a
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            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 18, 2021 9:44 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
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            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Hidden-tech] Alternative to SiteGround?</font>
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            <div style="box-sizing:border-box">Montague WebWorks had
              been using a cPanel host from 1999 til about 2004 when we
              switched to a VPS, then around 2010 to a slice of a cloud
              server. About 2015 we moved to CloudMailStore.com, based
              out of Michigan, leasing a Google-grade host server (12
              quad cores, 192GB RAM, 1.6TB RAID HD), with four Virtual
              Machines, each connected via internal virtual network.
              Cost is about $800/mo. I know the trend these days is to
              lease smaller, cheaper boxes, and there are plenty of colo
              hosts out there that do that, but I wanted the speed of
              the internal virtual network and the portability of
              backed-up VMs under my control. To wit, last July the host
              server was hit by ransomware, and with the nightly VM
              backups, we were up and running 14 hours later as if
              nothing had happened. Screw those bastards.</div>
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            <div style="box-sizing:border-box">We have two separate
              machines for transactional email (virtualized) and bulk
              email (practically a Pentium).</div>
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            <div style="box-sizing:border-box">Having a VM gives you
              maximum flexibility to do anything you want, wherever you
              want, including setting up a cPanel and offering hosting
              to others. And if the VM is backed up every night, you
              have no fear of ransomware or other major disasters.</div>
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Montague WebWorks
413-320-5336
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Rich Roth
CEO TnR Global

Bio and personal blog: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://rizbang.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://rizbang.com</a>
Building the really big sites:      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.tnrglobal.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.tnrglobal.com</a>
Small/Soho business in the PV:        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.hidden-tech.net" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.hidden-tech.net</a>
Places to meet for business:        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.meetmewhere.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.meetmewhere.com</a>
And for Arts and relaxation:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://TarotMuertos.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://TarotMuertos.com</a> - Artistic Tarot Deck
   <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.welovemuseums.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.welovemuseums.com</a>
   <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.artonmytv.com/" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.artonmytv.com/</a>
Helping move the world:             <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.earththrives.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.earththrives.com</a></pre>
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