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<p><font face="Calibri">I try not to give Jeff Bezos even one more
dime, so will likely never wind up on AWS. Amazon's reach into
the household with their live mics on the smart speaker freaks
me out (I mean, hasn't ANYONE read 1984?). One hundred percent
it's mining your conversations for marketing info. I just don't
trust him or his products.</font></p>
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<p><font face="Calibri">If I had a lot of sites and needed to
consolidate, I would find an inexpensive colo company who, if
they sell out, will be sold to another colo company who probably
will not interfere with the server you're leasing. Once you have
your own box out there, you are free to do whatever you want
with it. And if it's big enough you can build a semi-cloud
inside via virtual networks and shared drives, if need be.</font></p>
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<p><font face="Calibri">My associate who helps me with higher-end
server issues uses <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.colocrossing.com/">https://www.colocrossing.com/</a>
and swears by them. They have eight server farms located around
the country. Choose the colocation closest to your audience;
rack space size (single unit, half-rack, full rack); and server
size.<br>
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<p><font face="Calibri">For instance, choosing NY location, single
machine space and a "bronze" level machine gets you some fairly
powerful resources for about $120/mo, especially if you're on
Linux etc. A machine like that could definitely run a few dozen
thin websites. If you were to host client sites, even at
$10/each, you'd still be making some profit... enough to
possibly make it worth your while as a side gig.<br>
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<li><font face="Calibri"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.colocrossing.com/colocation/new-york-city-colocation/">https://www.colocrossing.com/colocation/new-york-city-colocation/</a></font></li>
<li><font face="Calibri"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.colocrossing.com/server/dedicated-servers/">https://www.colocrossing.com/server/dedicated-servers/</a></font></li>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
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<p>For some yes, for others no:</p>
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<p>I divide the web sites into 3 major categories, I am not
including high end commercial online businesses: <br>
the likes of google and amazon, these are beyond any
discussion here.<br>
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1) commercial sites with a major commitment to providing
content online or generating business.<br>
These clearly need what Rob is describing, and are well
advised to have such pros on their teams.<br>
We worked with such a site for over 10 years, moving from
dedicated multiple load-balanced web servers, database and
Elasticsearch search engine,<br>
moving to AWS as cloud services developed -- there were
teams from 3 companies in this project: <a
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2) semi-commercial, and smaller non-profit sites: these support
organizations with long term goals, and where commercial, <br>
they don't expect the bulk of their business from
the web or are not revenue driven.<br>
I would expect them to rely on managed hosting with
security features and call in consultants for setup, for
maintenance and to work on security.<br>
When this doesn't happen, they often lose their site for
various reasons. These need to hear what Rob is saying and
don't drop the ball.<br>
The better hosting companies can be a good choice them.<br>
<br>
For years, I've been providing a number of local
organizations probono domain registration because when they do
not commit the resources<br>
to maintaining their web presence, esp, when the
organization goes through changes, they can lose their domain
because they miss the renewal,</p>
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<p>3) The low end, or hobby, sites. These are fits for the cheap
end hosting and will definitely get hit by the technology and
company shifts that Rob predicts.<br>
It takes a experienced web developer to address these changes OR
one becomes one fairly quickly.<br>
It is wise to expect such changes and keep reasonable offline
(or alternate cloud) backups. Personally I have a set of local
local linux boxes and a drobo raid-like backup system. But then
I am spinning down from decades of very hi-tech work so I'm not
a good one to compare to.<br>
<br>
One idea occurred to me, In looking at the hcoop group and
looking at how I want to address the issues with Siteground,
would be an mutual support coop web service.<br>
The hcoop is far too different from what I found I'd like to
use. I am drifting toward getting a vps to run the 50 or so
web sites I have and am still looking.<br>
My deadline is to make a choice by may/june so I can move off
the SG system by Dec with more control going forward included.<br>
Note: i am running HT lists on a AWS nano instance as well as
using Elasticsearch on aws for a number of sites include
Shakerpedia.<br>
What this all means is that my budget is a bit higher than most.<br>
Any other suggestions or alternate ideas welcome.</p>
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<p>Stay well all - Rich<br>
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<div style="box-sizing:border-box">Montague WebWorks had
been using a cPanel host from 1999 til about 2004 when we
switched to a VPS, then around 2010 to a slice of a cloud
server. About 2015 we moved to CloudMailStore.com, based
out of Michigan, leasing a Google-grade host server (12
quad cores, 192GB RAM, 1.6TB RAID HD), with four Virtual
Machines, each connected via internal virtual network.
Cost is about $800/mo. I know the trend these days is to
lease smaller, cheaper boxes, and there are plenty of colo
hosts out there that do that, but I wanted the speed of
the internal virtual network and the portability of
backed-up VMs under my control. To wit, last July the host
server was hit by ransomware, and with the nightly VM
backups, we were up and running 14 hours later as if
nothing had happened. Screw those bastards.</div>
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<div style="box-sizing:border-box">We have two separate
machines for transactional email (virtualized) and bulk
email (practically a Pentium).</div>
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<div style="box-sizing:border-box">Having a VM gives you
maximum flexibility to do anything you want, wherever you
want, including setting up a cPanel and offering hosting
to others. And if the VM is backed up every night, you
have no fear of ransomware or other major disasters.</div>
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Rich Roth
CEO TnR Global
Bio and personal blog: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://rizbang.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://rizbang.com</a>
Building the really big sites: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.tnrglobal.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.tnrglobal.com</a>
Small/Soho business in the PV: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.hidden-tech.net" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.hidden-tech.net</a>
Places to meet for business: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.meetmewhere.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.meetmewhere.com</a>
And for Arts and relaxation:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://TarotMuertos.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://TarotMuertos.com</a> - Artistic Tarot Deck
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.welovemuseums.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.welovemuseums.com</a>
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Helping move the world: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.earththrives.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.earththrives.com</a></pre>
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