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    <p>Good point, Sam. <br>
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    <p>I haven't used Digital Ocean (except during a weekend Hackathon)
      but I have used Linode.  They do give me access to do a manual
      restart through their interface, AND they let me do a rebuild from
      a backup.  So neither of those actions are support-dependent. <br>
    </p>
    <p>But if I want anything fancier, then yes I do need to get them on
      chat.  <br>
    </p>
    <p>-Bram<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/24/2021 2:29 PM, Sam McClellan via
      Hidden-discuss wrote:<br>
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      <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hi Bram,<br>
        <br>
        Yes, we actually use Digital Ocean for prototyping more complex
        systems we're developing before moving them to a dedicated
        server. The main problem I have with Digital Ocean, and based on
        reviews it's the same for all those instant VPS systems, is that
        we have no access to their infrastructure and so are completely
        dependent on their level of support. We've had instances where
        we've gone several hours without a response, which is untenable.
        With a server, we have very quick access to the infrastructure.
        Also, the storage space is expensive compared to SSD's on a
        server. <br>
        <br>
        Sam<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/24/2021 1:57 PM, Bram Moreinis
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        <p>Recommendation: <br>
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        <p>Use Linode instead of AWS.  It isn't managed, but they
          provide great service: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
            href="https://www.linode.com/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.linode.com/</a></p>
        <p>It's similar to Digital Ocean in that you can duplicate and
          engineer different server configurations. <br>
        </p>
        <p>If all you want is a command line without the GUI, Linode
          gives you that too. <br>
        </p>
        <p>You can buy Linode time by the day. <br>
        </p>
        <p>-Bram<br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/24/2021 12:56 PM, Sam
          McClellan via Hidden-discuss wrote:<br>
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              Jeff Bezos even one more dime, so will likely never wind
              up on AWS.</font></blockquote>
          That is the issue I face as a host. I know a cloud format is
          better than the single server format for hosting for several
          reasons, principally redundancy, management and distributed
          content. But in my experience, we're in a transition time when
          all the clouds that are affordable enough and could be used
          for shared hosting are owned by the same big companies that
          are trying to get our information and that I don't want to
          support. <br>
          <br>
          I do believe private clouds will become more affordable and
          usable over time. In the meantime we do our best -- our
          servers are hosted in relatively green colo's that have direct
          access to the internet backbone, we back up every day and, for
          any sites that need it for bandwidth and global distribution,
          use a CDN - mainly Cloudflare, or Sucuri if they need a
          firewall too. Love Sucuri.<br>
          <br>
          Sam<br>
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