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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Yes, that's exactly the
issue :( Anything beyond what you can do with SSH access, pulling
a backup, and restarting you need access to support. Which is
pretty much true of a dedicated server too, of course (with the
addition of IPMI / direct access), but we've had very good
experience with our colos.<br>
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<p>Good point, Sam. <br>
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<p>I haven't used Digital Ocean (except during a weekend
Hackathon) but I have used Linode. They do give me access to do
a manual restart through their interface, AND they let me do a
rebuild from a backup. So neither of those actions are
support-dependent. <br>
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<p>But if I want anything fancier, then yes I do need to get them
on chat. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/24/2021 2:29 PM, Sam McClellan
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hi Bram,<br>
<br>
Yes, we actually use Digital Ocean for prototyping more
complex systems we're developing before moving them to a
dedicated server. The main problem I have with Digital Ocean,
and based on reviews it's the same for all those instant VPS
systems, is that we have no access to their infrastructure and
so are completely dependent on their level of support. We've
had instances where we've gone several hours without a
response, which is untenable. With a server, we have very
quick access to the infrastructure. Also, the storage space is
expensive compared to SSD's on a server. <br>
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<p>Recommendation: <br>
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<p>Use Linode instead of AWS. It isn't managed, but they
provide great service: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.linode.com/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.linode.com/</a></p>
<p>It's similar to Digital Ocean in that you can duplicate and
engineer different server configurations. <br>
</p>
<p>If all you want is a command line without the GUI, Linode
gives you that too. <br>
</p>
<p>You can buy Linode time by the day. <br>
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give Jeff Bezos even one more dime, so will likely never
wind up on AWS.</font></blockquote>
That is the issue I face as a host. I know a cloud format is
better than the single server format for hosting for several
reasons, principally redundancy, management and distributed
content. But in my experience, we're in a transition time
when all the clouds that are affordable enough and could be
used for shared hosting are owned by the same big companies
that are trying to get our information and that I don't want
to support. <br>
<br>
I do believe private clouds will become more affordable and
usable over time. In the meantime we do our best -- our
servers are hosted in relatively green colo's that have
direct access to the internet backbone, we back up every day
and, for any sites that need it for bandwidth and global
distribution, use a CDN - mainly Cloudflare, or Sucuri if
they need a firewall too. Love Sucuri.<br>
<br>
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