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<p>I divide the web sites into 3 major categories, I am not
including high end commercial online businesses: <br>
the likes of google and amazon, these are beyond any
discussion here.<br>
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1) commercial sites with a major commitment to providing content
online or generating business.<br>
These clearly need what Rob is describing, and are well
advised to have such pros on their teams.<br>
We worked with such a site for over 10 years, moving from
dedicated multiple load-balanced web servers, database and
Elasticsearch search engine,<br>
moving to AWS as cloud services developed -- there were
teams from 3 companies in this project: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.thomasnet.com/">https://www.thomasnet.com/</a><br>
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2) semi-commercial, and smaller non-profit sites: these support
organizations with long term goals, and where commercial, <br>
they don't expect the bulk of their business from the
web or are not revenue driven.<br>
I would expect them to rely on managed hosting with security
features and call in consultants for setup, for maintenance and to
work on security.<br>
When this doesn't happen, they often lose their site for
various reasons. These need to hear what Rob is saying and don't
drop the ball.<br>
The better hosting companies can be a good choice them.<br>
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For years, I've been providing a number of local
organizations probono domain registration because when they do not
commit the resources<br>
to maintaining their web presence, esp, when the organization
goes through changes, they can lose their domain because they miss
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<p>3) The low end, or hobby, sites. These are fits for the cheap
end hosting and will definitely get hit by the technology and
company shifts that Rob predicts.<br>
It takes a experienced web developer to address these changes OR
one becomes one fairly quickly.<br>
It is wise to expect such changes and keep reasonable offline (or
alternate cloud) backups. Personally I have a set of local local
linux boxes and a drobo raid-like backup system. But then I am
spinning down from decades of very hi-tech work so I'm not a good
one to compare to.<br>
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One idea occurred to me, In looking at the hcoop group and looking
at how I want to address the issues with Siteground, would be an
mutual support coop web service.<br>
The hcoop is far too different from what I found I'd like to use.
I am drifting toward getting a vps to run the 50 or so web sites
I have and am still looking.<br>
My deadline is to make a choice by may/june so I can move off the
SG system by Dec with more control going forward included.<br>
Note: i am running HT lists on a AWS nano instance as well as
using Elasticsearch on aws for a number of sites include
Shakerpedia.<br>
What this all means is that my budget is a bit higher than most.<br>
Any other suggestions or alternate ideas welcome.</p>
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<p>Stay well all - Rich<br>
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<div style="box-sizing:border-box">Montague WebWorks had been
using a cPanel host from 1999 til about 2004 when we
switched to a VPS, then around 2010 to a slice of a cloud
server. About 2015 we moved to CloudMailStore.com, based out
of Michigan, leasing a Google-grade host server (12 quad
cores, 192GB RAM, 1.6TB RAID HD), with four Virtual
Machines, each connected via internal virtual network. Cost
is about $800/mo. I know the trend these days is to lease
smaller, cheaper boxes, and there are plenty of colo hosts
out there that do that, but I wanted the speed of the
internal virtual network and the portability of backed-up
VMs under my control. To wit, last July the host server was
hit by ransomware, and with the nightly VM backups, we were
up and running 14 hours later as if nothing had happened.
Screw those bastards.</div>
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<div style="box-sizing:border-box">We have two separate
machines for transactional email (virtualized) and bulk
email (practically a Pentium).</div>
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<div style="box-sizing:border-box">Having a VM gives you
maximum flexibility to do anything you want, wherever you
want, including setting up a cPanel and offering hosting to
others. And if the VM is backed up every night, you have no
fear of ransomware or other major disasters.</div>
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Bio and personal blog: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://rizbang.com">http://rizbang.com</a>
Building the really big sites: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.tnrglobal.com">http://www.tnrglobal.com</a>
Small/Soho business in the PV: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.hidden-tech.net">http://www.hidden-tech.net</a>
Places to meet for business: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.meetmewhere.com">http://www.meetmewhere.com</a>
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