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    <p><font face="Calibri">Back in 1999 I started using a hosting
        company in California named Web66 who had an early version of
        C-Panel, which I hated. Within a few years I switched to another
        company that sold VMs, where you essentially get an empty
        machine, Windows or Linux, and you build out what you need.
        Haven't turned back since.<br>
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    <p><font face="Calibri">I first used Viux.com, then EnterHost.com,
        and have since switched to CloudMailStore.com in Michigan. I
        lease a massive Host Machine (192GB RAM, 1600GB HD in a RAID, 12
        quad-core CPUs -- it's a sick machine) into which I created five
      </font><font face="Calibri"><font face="Calibri">Virtual Machines
          (</font>VMs) to hold my various web projects, one of which
        hosts 350 websites, and another hosts my databases.</font></p>
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    <p><font face="Calibri">If you can handle setting up a server to do
        what you need, it's a far better situation since you get charged
        only for the box, and not the number of sites held within. If
        you ever need to move to a new host, simply shut the VM down and
        copy the file to another Host and spin it up there. The beauty
        of this is the only thing that would change is your IP number.<br>
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    <p><font face="Calibri">A programmer I do a lot of work with uses <a
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        and their prices are pretty good, starting at $80/mo. Download
        and install cPanel yourself and you're off to the races.<br>
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    <p><font face="Calibri">Mik<br>
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Mik Muller, president
Montague WebWorks
239-R Main Street, Greenfield, MA
413-320-5336
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/19/2021 5:59 PM, Rob Laporte via
      Hidden-discuss wrote:<br>
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        For well over 15 years I've repeatedly warned clients that <b>all
          web host for small and medium-sized business (sub ~$30/mo) go
          bad sooner or later</b>, often by a sell-out. Web hosting is
        wrongly perceived as a commodity, so web hosts compete rabidly
        on price, eventually requiring either cutting quality to remain
        solvent, or selling out to a company that thinks they can ring
        profit from the bought host. In my 25 years, damage to the web
        hosts' clients
        <i>always</i> resulted from the cruel economies of web hosting.<br>
        <br>
        In my experience, the host with by far the longest stretch being
        good was FutureHosting.com (FH), about ~10 years. A few months
        ago they suddenly forced all clients to migrate to Nexcess.net,
        claiming quality improvement, but it was a sell-out with costly
        consequences for all its clients. <b>With almost no warning, we
          had to spend time and client budget to ensure that all kinds
          of functionality worked, and run the standard SEO tests to be
          sure that all SEO value and performance was migrated.</b> The
        latter work is a crucial part of migrating to a new web host; a
        substantial percent of the work by search marketing firms like
        mine is ensuring that such migrations cause no losses. A couple
        of the clients' websites got hacked separately from the huge
        September web-wide hack that afflicted hundreds of thousands of
        WordPress sites. Then, a couple of weeks ago, we learned that
        the entire Nexcess web host got hacked, which we discovered when
        sleuthing down-time for some of our clients.
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        <div>I asked a great lawyer I've long known about legal action,
          and he felt that the provable financial losses and the
          complexity of proof made legal action unlikely to succeed.
          However,
          <b>I've often wondered how class action suits proceed. If
            hundreds or thousands of websites are impacted, the
            accumulated losses may be worth the effort by a great class
            action law firm.
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        <div>Once my firm (<a href="https://www.2disc.com"
            title="https://www.2disc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">DISC</a>)
          completes migrating our own website from Nexcess (last in
          line), I plan to
          <b>at least post negative reviews</b> in a few top sites. I
          just feel that <b>such feedback is a civic obligation</b>,
          even though I don't have time for it now. Likewise, I feel a
          civic obligation to leave good reviews, as when the local AAA
          did a great job of redressing a big mistake in a towing
          delay. <br>
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          moz-do-not-send="true">DISC</a> has long worked with a small
        local tech group with great chops (Computer Science degrees,
        experience), and they have put together web hosting packages to
        which my firm is moving our clients. This Nubbernaut Studios is
        currently upgrading their website, but meanwhile their brief
        overview may interest some here:
        <a href="https://nubbernaut.com/website-services"
          moz-do-not-send="true">https://nubbernaut.com/website-services</a>. While
        I can’t guarantee their performance, NU is the best option DISC
        has found. (Though DISC offers finder’s fees, we never accept
        them or any kickbacks from people or firms we recommend, as that
        would impugn our objectivity--we just want our clients to
        prosper and benefit from the search marketing work we do.) <br>
        <br>
        <b>Below is a copy of a relevant part of an email I sent to this
          list on 12/21:</b><br>
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              Below is my original advisory from ~3 years ago, followed
              by an excellent, recent 7-minute video by my firm's CEO
              Jack Fox and Nubbernaut Studios, explaining the "7 layers"
              problem and solutions to one of our clients:</div>
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style="text-align:justify;margin-top:10pt;margin-bottom:0px;line-height:1.5"><span
style="margin:0px;font-weight:700;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima
                    Nova", sans-serif">The 7 Layers of a Website </span></p>
                <p dir="ltr"
style="text-align:justify;margin-top:10pt;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:36pt;line-height:1.5"><span
style="margin:0px;font-weight:400;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima
                    Nova", sans-serif">To understand why dedicated
                    monthly website-tech management is vital, it helps
                    to glimpse the connected layers beneath content
                    managers’ typical interactions with a website. I’ll
                    use WordPress (WP) as an example, but this synopsis
                    applies variously to all website platforms. </span></p>
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                    style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima
                    Nova",
                    sans-serif;font-weight:400;list-style:decimal;margin-left:36pt">
                    <p dir="ltr"
style="text-align:justify;margin-top:10pt;margin-bottom:0px;line-height:1.5"><span
                        style="margin:0px;font-weight:700">The top layer</span><span
                        style="margin:0px"> is where you add content. </span></p>
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                    style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima
                    Nova",
                    sans-serif;font-weight:400;list-style:decimal;margin-left:36pt">
                    <p dir="ltr"
style="text-align:justify;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;line-height:1.5"><span
                        style="margin:0px">Beneath that is a layer of
                        plugins or other<span> </span></span><span
                        style="margin:0px;font-weight:700">third-party
                        apps and connections</span><span
                        style="margin:0px">. This and the above layer
                        often break when crucial WP upgrades are rolled
                        out a few times per year. </span></p>
                  </li>
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                    style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima
                    Nova",
                    sans-serif;font-weight:400;list-style:decimal;margin-left:36pt">
                    <p dir="ltr"
style="text-align:justify;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;line-height:1.5"><span
                        style="margin:0px">Lower still is<span> </span></span><span
                        style="margin:0px;font-weight:700">the database</span><span
                        style="margin:0px"> holding not only visible
                        content in pages and posts, but also user
                        profiles and passwords, client or customer
                        logins, and variously secure connections to
                        layers above and below. </span></p>
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                    style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima
                    Nova",
                    sans-serif;font-weight:400;list-style:decimal;margin-left:36pt">
                    <p dir="ltr"
style="text-align:justify;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;line-height:1.5"><span
                        style="margin:0px">Supporting the above layers
                        and connecting to the server foundation is a<span> </span></span><span
                        style="margin:0px;font-weight:700">tech
                        management layer often called cPanel</span><span
                        style="margin:0px">. It is open source and often
                        upgraded automatically, and such upgrades can
                        damage other layers and break automatic back-up
                        systems. This layer often has entrances left
                        over from past webmasters’ work, via the likes
                        of FTP. It also offers admin panels for most
                        aspects of email management, domain name
                        associations, and other vital functions of your
                        website. </span></p>
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                    Nova",
                    sans-serif;font-weight:400;list-style:decimal;margin-left:36pt">
                    <p dir="ltr"
style="text-align:justify;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;line-height:1.5"><span
                        style="margin:0px">Some web hosts offer access
                        to yet<span> </span></span><span
                        style="margin:0px;font-weight:700">a deeper
                        layer, often called WHM</span><span
                        style="margin:0px"> (Web Host Management). My
                        recent spelunking there shows a byzantine array
                        of settings often pre-set and sometimes changed
                        willy-nilly by cheap hosting plans at the likes
                        of GoDaddy. Options in this setup, like caching
                        and CDN services, can have major impact on
                        security, SEO, site speed, and other functions. </span></p>
                  </li>
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                    style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima
                    Nova",
                    sans-serif;font-weight:400;list-style:decimal;margin-left:36pt">
                    <p dir="ltr"
style="text-align:justify;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;line-height:1.5"><span
                        style="margin:0px">Finally, there’s<span> </span></span><span
                        style="margin:0px;font-weight:700">the server
                        itself</span><span style="margin:0px">, which is
                        set-up by web hosts (or clients’ in-house IT
                        people). I’ve never been inside there, and just
                        peering over the misty edge into that abyss is
                        terrifying. </span></p>
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                    <p dir="ltr"
style="text-align:justify;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;line-height:1.5"><span
                        style="margin:0px">Another layer that wraps
                        around all of the above is<span> </span></span><span
                        style="margin:0px;font-weight:700">the human
                        layer</span><span style="margin:0px">. People
                        working in and on the site often unwittingly do
                        damage, and, given the compounding complexity of
                        websites, even excellent tech pros can make
                        mistakes that impair function and SEO
                        performance.  </span></p>
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              -apple-system, system-ui, Roboto, "Helvetica
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                    <p dir="ltr"
style="text-align:justify;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;line-height:1.5"><span
                        style="margin:0px"><span
style="margin:0px;font-weight:700;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima
                          Nova", sans-serif">Those layers change
                          over time, and sometimes, like tectonic
                          plates, they can rupture, causing lots of
                          screaming and running for help.<span> </span></span><span
style="margin:0px;font-weight:400;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima
                          Nova", sans-serif">One among many
                          consequences is declining site speed, and
                          Google is constantly making speed more of a
                          ranking factor, never mind the vital role of
                          speed in conversion rate optimization (CRO).</span></span></p>
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style="margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-family:Verdana, Geneva,
                        sans-serif;background-color:white"><b><a
                            href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quwp7J8PqAo&feature=youtu.be"
                            target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
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                            style="margin:0px" moz-do-not-send="true">Jack
                            and Kevin September Hack and Site Security
                            Packages for THS</a>. </b></span></p>
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          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Hidden-tech] Siteground does serious
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        <p>If any of these were my older serious business sites I'd have
          move on that.<br>
          Although a few are major research projects like Shakerpedia<br>
          As is it, I don't think I'm up for the effort or cost of legal
          battle<br>
          <br>
          That said, I do think they totally violated best practices --
          all our AWS, google or other services give 3-6 months warning
          on such structural changes.<br>
          And I do plan on telling them that.<br>
          <br>
          Clearly time to move past SG.<br>
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          Thanks - Stay well all - Rich<br>
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        <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 1/18/2021 9:31 PM, Shel
          Horowitz wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">You'll need to find a lawyer who is well-versed
            in this particular area. I think you have a claim--but
            that's personal opinion--I am not qualified to give legal
            advice. Many lawyers will give you a free initial consult,
            though--and if they smell a large settlement, working on
            spec for a (hefty) percentage of the settlement is pretty
            common.
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            <div>Good luck.</div>
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            <div>I had one site hosted with Siteground for one year. I
              wasn't unhappy until they tripled the price for the second
              year and I left. I have all my sites with Hostgator now.</div>
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                            <div>mailto:<a
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                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">shel@greenandprofitable.com</a>
                              413-586-2388</div>
                            <div>Award-winning, best-selling author of
                              10 books. </div>
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                              World </div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at
              4:10 PM Rich@tnr via Hidden-discuss <<a
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              Just checking anyone else has been totally screwed up by
              siteground changes<br>
              (and yes, I'm being very polite in my use of words)<br>
              <br>
              They changed their goGreek hosting so each web site is
              it's own unix user id<br>
              and blocking any shared logic between sites.<br>
              Which would make no difference for simple sites,however<br>
              I have some 50 sites on hosting with them and a number of
              busy ones use <br>
              common logic.<br>
              now broken at some unknown level -- it will be hours of
              unwinding.<br>
              <br>
              Of course they did this without prior warning.<br>
              Usually a change like this is down after months of
              warning.<br>
              I am on the verge of calling a lawyer -- working to
              determine the damage <br>
              first.<br>
              <br>
              Very likely looking for alternative hosting.<br>
              Before retiring this would have all been done on AWS
              instances,<br>
              however since most of volunteer work I couldn't justify
              the expense.<br>
              <br>
              Suggestions of hosting or how to handle common logic
              across domains.<br>
              <br>
              Stay well - Rich<br>
              <br>
              -- <br>
              Rich Roth<br>
              CEO TnR Global<br>
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Bio and personal blog: <a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://rizbang.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://rizbang.com</a>
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