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For well over 15 years I've repeatedly warned clients that <b>all web host for small and medium-sized business (sub ~$30/mo) go bad sooner or later</b>, often by a sell-out. Web hosting is wrongly perceived as a commodity, so web hosts compete rabidly on price,
eventually requiring either cutting quality to remain solvent, or selling out to a company that thinks they can ring profit from the bought host. In my 25 years, damage to the web hosts' clients
<i>always</i> resulted from the cruel economies of web hosting.<br>
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In my experience, the host with by far the longest stretch being good was FutureHosting.com (FH), about ~10 years. A few months ago they suddenly forced all clients to migrate to Nexcess.net, claiming quality improvement, but it was a sell-out with costly consequences
for all its clients. <b>With almost no warning, we had to spend time and client budget to ensure that all kinds of functionality worked, and run the standard SEO tests to be sure that all SEO value and performance was migrated.</b> The latter work is a crucial
part of migrating to a new web host; a substantial percent of the work by search marketing firms like mine is ensuring that such migrations cause no losses. A couple of the clients' websites got hacked separately from the huge September web-wide hack that
afflicted hundreds of thousands of WordPress sites. Then, a couple of weeks ago, we learned that the entire Nexcess web host got hacked, which we discovered when sleuthing down-time for some of our clients.
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<div>I asked a great lawyer I've long known about legal action, and he felt that the provable financial losses and the complexity of proof made legal action unlikely to succeed. However,
<b>I've often wondered how class action suits proceed. If hundreds or thousands of websites are impacted, the accumulated losses may be worth the effort by a great class action law firm.
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<div>Once my firm (<a href="https://www.2disc.com" title="https://www.2disc.com">DISC</a>) completes migrating our own website from Nexcess (last in line), I plan to
<b>at least post negative reviews</b> in a few top sites. I just feel that <b>such feedback is a civic obligation</b>, even though I don't have time for it now. Likewise, I feel a civic obligation to leave good reviews, as when the local AAA did a great job
of redressing a big mistake in a towing delay. <br>
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<a href="https://www.2disc.com/" title="https://www.2disc.com" style="margin:0px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">DISC</a> has long worked with a small local tech group with great chops (Computer Science degrees, experience), and they have put together
web hosting packages to which my firm is moving our clients. This Nubbernaut Studios is currently upgrading their website, but meanwhile their brief overview may interest some here:
<a href="https://nubbernaut.com/website-services">https://nubbernaut.com/website-services</a>. While I can’t guarantee their performance, NU is the best option DISC has found. (Though DISC offers finder’s fees, we never accept them or any kickbacks from people
or firms we recommend, as that would impugn our objectivity--we just want our clients to prosper and benefit from the search marketing work we do.) <br>
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<b>Below is a copy of a relevant part of an email I sent to this list on 12/21:</b><br>
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Below is my original advisory from ~3 years ago, followed by an excellent, recent 7-minute video by my firm's CEO Jack Fox and Nubbernaut Studios, explaining the "7 layers" problem and solutions to one of our clients:</div>
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<span style="margin:0px;font-weight:400;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima Nova", sans-serif">To understand why dedicated monthly website-tech management is vital, it helps to glimpse the connected layers beneath content managers’ typical interactions with
a website. I’ll use WordPress (WP) as an example, but this synopsis applies variously to all website platforms. </span></p>
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<span style="margin:0px;font-weight:700">The top layer</span><span style="margin:0px"> is where you add content. </span></p>
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<span style="margin:0px">Beneath that is a layer of plugins or other<span> </span></span><span style="margin:0px;font-weight:700">third-party apps and connections</span><span style="margin:0px">. This and the above layer often break when crucial WP upgrades
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<span style="margin:0px">Lower still is<span> </span></span><span style="margin:0px;font-weight:700">the database</span><span style="margin:0px"> holding not only visible content in pages and posts, but also user profiles and passwords, client or customer logins,
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<span style="margin:0px">Supporting the above layers and connecting to the server foundation is a<span> </span></span><span style="margin:0px;font-weight:700">tech management layer often called cPanel</span><span style="margin:0px">. It is open source and often
upgraded automatically, and such upgrades can damage other layers and break automatic back-up systems. This layer often has entrances left over from past webmasters’ work, via the likes of FTP. It also offers admin panels for most aspects of email management,
domain name associations, and other vital functions of your website. </span></p>
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<span style="margin:0px">Some web hosts offer access to yet<span> </span></span><span style="margin:0px;font-weight:700">a deeper layer, often called WHM</span><span style="margin:0px"> (Web Host Management). My recent spelunking there shows a byzantine array
of settings often pre-set and sometimes changed willy-nilly by cheap hosting plans at the likes of GoDaddy. Options in this setup, like caching and CDN services, can have major impact on security, SEO, site speed, and other functions. </span></p>
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<span style="margin:0px">Finally, there’s<span> </span></span><span style="margin:0px;font-weight:700">the server itself</span><span style="margin:0px">, which is set-up by web hosts (or clients’ in-house IT people). I’ve never been inside there, and just peering
over the misty edge into that abyss is terrifying. </span></p>
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<span style="margin:0px">Another layer that wraps around all of the above is<span> </span></span><span style="margin:0px;font-weight:700">the human layer</span><span style="margin:0px">. People working in and on the site often unwittingly do damage, and, given
the compounding complexity of websites, even excellent tech pros can make mistakes that impair function and SEO performance. </span></p>
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<span style="margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-weight:700;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima Nova", sans-serif">Those layers change over time, and sometimes, like tectonic plates, they can rupture, causing lots of screaming and running for help.<span> </span></span><span style="margin:0px;font-weight:400;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Proxima Nova", sans-serif">One
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 18, 2021 9:43 PM<br>
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<p>If any of these were my older serious business sites I'd have move on that.<br>
Although a few are major research projects like Shakerpedia<br>
As is it, I don't think I'm up for the effort or cost of legal battle<br>
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That said, I do think they totally violated best practices -- all our AWS, google or other services give 3-6 months warning on such structural changes.<br>
And I do plan on telling them that.<br>
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Clearly time to move past SG.<br>
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a large settlement, working on spec for a (hefty) percentage of the settlement is pretty common.
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<div>I had one site hosted with Siteground for one year. I wasn't unhappy until they tripled the price for the second year and I left. I have all my sites with Hostgator now.</div>
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Just checking anyone else has been totally screwed up by siteground changes<br>
(and yes, I'm being very polite in my use of words)<br>
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They changed their goGreek hosting so each web site is it's own unix user id<br>
and blocking any shared logic between sites.<br>
Which would make no difference for simple sites,however<br>
I have some 50 sites on hosting with them and a number of busy ones use <br>
common logic.<br>
now broken at some unknown level -- it will be hours of unwinding.<br>
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Of course they did this without prior warning.<br>
Usually a change like this is down after months of warning.<br>
I am on the verge of calling a lawyer -- working to determine the damage <br>
first.<br>
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Very likely looking for alternative hosting.<br>
Before retiring this would have all been done on AWS instances,<br>
however since most of volunteer work I couldn't justify the expense.<br>
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Suggestions of hosting or how to handle common logic across domains.<br>
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Stay well - Rich<br>
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Rich Roth
CEO TnR Global
Bio and personal blog: <a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://rizbang.com">http://rizbang.com</a>
Building the really big sites: <a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.tnrglobal.com">http://www.tnrglobal.com</a>
Small/Soho business in the PV: <a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.hidden-tech.net">http://www.hidden-tech.net</a>
Places to meet for business: <a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.meetmewhere.com">http://www.meetmewhere.com</a>
And for Arts and relaxation:
<a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://TarotMuertos.com">http://TarotMuertos.com</a> - Artistic Tarot Deck
<a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.welovemuseums.com">http://www.welovemuseums.com</a>
<a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.artonmytv.com/">http://www.artonmytv.com/</a>
Helping move the world: <a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.earththrives.com">http://www.earththrives.com</a></pre>
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