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    <p>I got this from Paul Peter Nicolai, a local lawyer many of you
      might know (on 8/12), and, after all, a month old.<br>
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        <div style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:18px;">Many are
          aware that the time for filing the paperwork necessary to show
          that all or part of your payroll Protection Program loan
          should be forgiven is coming up.<br>
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        <div style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:18px;">There
          are two reasons why you should hold off on trying to file
          anything.<br>
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          <li style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:18px;">First,
            exactly what is needed is not quite determined and banks are
            in different stages of being ready to accept the paperwork.<br>
          </li>
          <li style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:18px;">Second,
            ongoing negotiation between the administration and Congress
            that is such that PPP loans under some threshold - likely to
            be about $150,000 - are simply going to be forgiven without
            any requirement of proof being filed. Of course, we will not
            know whether this is the case or what level it would apply
            at until there is a negotiated deal passed by Congress and
            signed by the president.</li>
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    <p>See:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.masslive.com/business/2020/08/small-business-administration-has-opened-its-paycheck-protection-program-forgiveness-portal-heres-why-many-small-businesses-will-have-to-wait.html">https://www.masslive.com/business/2020/08/small-business-administration-has-opened-its-paycheck-protection-program-forgiveness-portal-heres-why-many-small-businesses-will-have-to-wait.html</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/23/2020 5:21 PM, Rob Laporte via
      Hidden-discuss wrote:<br>
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          It's hugely complicated, and I expect to resolve it via my
          firm's CPA soon, but meanwhile I wonder if this recap to my
          CPA resonates with any others of you trying to battle the
          effects of banking lobbyists working to reduce US-wide PPP
          loan forgiveness:</div>
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              When I applied to the loan on 4/9, calcuations were based
              on payroll, no S-Corp [or C-Corp] owner distinction. So I
              applied for the amount I did based on that. The later rule
              change regarding S-corp owners seems wrong--it changes the
              terms of the loan
              <i>after</i> making a business decision to get the loan at
              all--hence my thinking it's best to invoke:</div>
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                        <span style="margin: 0px; font-weight: 700;
                          color: red">“Borrowers and lenders may rely on
                          the guidance provided in this document as
                          SBA’s interpretation of the CARES Act and of
                          the Paycheck Protection Program Interim Final
                          Rules (“PPP Interim Final Rules”)</span><span
                          style="margin: 0px; font-weight: normal"><span> </span>(link).
                          The U.S. government will not challenge lender
                          PPP actions that conform to this guidance, and
                          to the PPP Interim Final Rules and any
                          subsequent rulemaking<span> </span></span><span
                          style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(200, 38, 19)">i</span><span
                          style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(200, 38, 19)">n
                          effect at the time</span><span style="margin:
                          0px; font-weight: normal; color: rgb(200, 38,
                          19);">.</span><span style="margin: 0px;
                          font-weight: normal">” ( </span></p>
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                      sans-serif; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);
                      text-decoration: underline;"><a
href="https://www.sba.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/Paycheck-Protection-Program-Frequently-Asked-Questions_04%2024%2020.pdf"
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                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.sba.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/Paycheck-Protection-Program-Frequently-Asked-Questions_04%2024%2020.pdf</a> </span><span
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                        text-align: justify; background-color: rgb(255,
                        255, 255); display: inline !important">4/24/20)</span></span></b></div>
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              <div style="margin: 0px"><b style="font-weight: normal"><span
                    style="margin: 0px; font-weight: 400; font-size:
                    12pt; font-family: "Proxima Nova",
                    sans-serif"><span style="margin: 0px; font-size:
                      14.67px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif;
                      background-color: white">Also, I applied based on
                      rent paid, regardless of later rule changes
                      negating forgiveness for rent paid to the business
                      owner or to a relative of the owner. </span></span></b></div>
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                    style="margin: 0px; font-weight: 400; font-size:
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                    sans-serif"><span style="margin: 0px; font-size:
                      14.67px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif;
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            <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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              <div style="margin: 0px"><b style="font-weight: normal"><span
                    style="margin: 0px; font-weight: 400; font-size:
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                    sans-serif"><span style="margin: 0px; font-size:
                      14.67px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif;
                      background-color: white">But if other ways to
                      slice this will work for getting all forgiveness,
                      I'd do that, being cognizant of the National Law
                      Reivew's warning that choosing any rules after
                      one's PPP loan application date (4/9 for me) could
                      mean "that to be eligible for this safe harbor,
                      borrowers may need to keep all full time
                      equivalent employees employed even after the
                      covered period ends" up to 12/31/2020.</span></span></b></div>
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        I coud write a small book on the many ways that the
        ever-changing PPP rules/laws together with PR lure small
        businesses into taking the bait on the 24-week option and/or
        delying forgiveness application, which reduces forgiveness and
        increases debt. And forget about the PR about all loans under
        150G maybe being forgiven automatically--it spurs more delays in
        forgiveness applications, which will benefit the big banks that
        buy the books of PPP loans from small banks and then change the
        rules (the CARES Act allows that) for profit and perhaps
        collateralize some of the debt into CLOs to sell to investors. </div>
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        But to keep focus, I wonder if anyone has insight on the
        legality of in fact invoking the laws that were in effect when
        one applied to the original PPP loan, so as to obviate all later
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Places to meet for business:        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.meetmewhere.com">http://www.meetmewhere.com</a>
And for Arts and relaxation:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://TarotMuertos.com">http://TarotMuertos.com</a> - Artistic Tarot Deck
   <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.welovemuseums.com">http://www.welovemuseums.com</a>
   <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.artonmytv.com/">http://www.artonmytv.com/</a>
Helping move the world:             <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.earththrives.com">http://www.earththrives.com</a></pre>
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