<div dir="ltr">Bram, I agree with your epistemological concerns. What I found most compelling about Martenson's coverage was his ferreting out of logical inconsistencies<div>and rhetorical trickery in certain key scientific papers as well as one clear case of fraud in a paper published by the New England Journal of Medicine. The latter was retracted but not in a way that made headlines. I also found his suspicions, based on the genetic code alterations, that the virus originated as a bioweapon very compelling. This is the opinion of a number of informed people including the man who wrote our anti-bioweapons regulations, Professor Francis Boyle, who cited documents describing this very research. I do take issue with your point about conspiracy theories and 9/11. It seems to me that, from the assassination of Julius Caesar to the murder of JFK, history teaches us that conspiracies are a driving force in history. I've never seen any logical way of NOT concluding that 9/11 was the result of treasonous elements within the security state, perhaps working with certain foreign actors. I would refer you to the work of David Ray Grifin. That is another discussion, but I think there is real danger in allowing those who have not honestly discussed the origins of COVID to control the narrative of how we respond to it. Rob's reference to his results from vitamin D is an example. Its usefulness seems well established though it is not a magic bullet. I do believe that the deterioration of mainstream media, along with the obvious failures in the Trump administration and institutions like the CDC (recommended masks many weeks after Martenson) is a prime reason why when it comes to COVID, we're number 1.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 8:12 PM Bram Moreinis via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I am so sorry to hear you are a long-haul sufferer, Rob.
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<div>I lost one of my oldest friends to a QAnon-like COVID19
conspiracy group and I am highly suspicious of “alternative
theories”. I don’t think we can throw out the scientific
community just because of the politicization of it.</div>
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<div>But this is a survival question for you, so I did not mean to
judge you and I’m sorry if I came off that way. Sincerely I am
sorry.</div>
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<div>As I indicated, I came across Chris Martenson along time ago,
advocating that we should all hoard silver Because the economy
was about to collapse. He sounded very convincing. 9/11 truthers
sound very convincing.</div>
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<div> I just don’t think that Secret conspiracy theories are where
we should put our energy right now: there are very obvious open
conspiracies happening right in front of our noses, And we
really just need to pick a couple that there’s no shortage of
evidence for an organize around those.</div>
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<div>But I’d love to have a drink with you, coffee or whatever,
and hear how are you doing, and listen openly do what you have
to say. </div>
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<div>Sincerely,</div>
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<p>His definition of Integrity as "open to any ideas from
anywhere" is kinda the opposite of mine, Rob. <br>
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<p>I don't know that Hidden Tech is the place to have this
discussion -- kinda surprised it made it through the
"moderator" -- but to me, while an "open mind" is the
gateway to integrity, the qualifier of integrity is that
we check what comes un against what we already know, and
what we already know is an organized system of information
we've checked against past experience and trusted
epistemologies (ways of knowing what's true). <br>
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<p>Having an open mind without having such an internal,
organized, and cross-referenced system of understanding
means being susceptible, in my book. <br>
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<p>Regarding Chris Martenson - how much "junk silver" did
you stockpile in 2007? <br>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Hi All,</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> I feel compelled to
acknowledge publicly the very valuable service that
local Chris Martenson provided in his ~6 months of
unpacking the science of the pandemic at his YouTube
channel <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD2-QVBQi48RRQTD4Jhxu8w" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD2-QVBQi48RRQTD4Jhxu8w</a> .
He stopped regular posts recently, but I highly
recommend his recent ones about the science (studies,
data) on how important vitamin D is in preventing Covid
and reducing its impact. One of those videos points to
an MD's channel that also has excellent reviews of the
science, still going. </div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> I'm a Covid
"Long-Hauler" who experienced far worse health effects
than my ~3 week initial infection March-April, and
vitamin D seems to have done wonders. It plays a very
specific role in Covid's biochemical cascade (explained
in the above videos). A huge study (n>50,000) in
Spain recently confirmed the benefits of vitamin D in
Covid, with far more impressive and statistically
reliable results than, for example, the ~$3300 per
treatment Remdesivir. </div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Note that I would not
post anything here or anywhere about Covid that does not
reference solid science entailing peer-reviewed (or in
process of that) studies. </div>
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