<div id="geary-body" dir="auto"><div>Before jumping in to a conversation about specific platforms, I think it would be helpful to clarify our motivations:</div><div><br></div><div>- Are there any issues with the current setup?<br>- Are there any features the current setup lacks that we'd like to have?</div><div><br></div><div>Once we've established our motivations (and hopefully some agreement), we can evaluate how well specific solutions would address them and weigh that against any downsides. Otherwise, it's easy to get bogged down in meandering debate.</div><div><br></div><div>Here is mine — in the form of a "driver statement"[1], a framing I've found very useful for making motivations easy to discuss — and my attempt at summarizing Rich's original email[2] the same way:</div><div><br><div>- [me] Subscription settings are very course, so I have to choose between processing conversations I don't care about and missing those that I do. Finer-grained settings would allow me to engage at the level I'd prefer.</div><div>- [Rich] We get few new signups and people unsubscribe with every long conversation, so HT membership is shrinking over time. A stable (or growing) membership would keep the list useful, since more people will be available to help.</div><div><br></div><div>I'll take my own advice and hold off on airing my (strong) opinions on specific proposals, for the moment.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Stephen</div><div><br></div><div>[1] From Sociocracy 3.0 <a href="https://patterns.sociocracy30.org/describe-organizational-drivers.html">https://patterns.sociocracy30.org/describe-organizational-drivers.html</a></div></div><div><br></div><div>[2] I originally was going to summarize the whole thread, but other replies were either focused on negatives (not time for that yet!) or missing parts of a driver (description of the current situation).</div></div><div id="geary-signature" dir="auto">--<div>I try to write short, functional emails.</div></div><div id="geary-quote" dir="auto"><br>On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 18:54, Rich@tnr via Hidden-discuss <hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">
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<p>That's right, interesting - it looks like the invalid member
option of the listing is not valid (fancy that)<br>
Actually the flag on the member dump command are not correct, had
to do more figuring.<br>
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<p>Rerun:<br>
Nogood: 232<br>
Regukar: 2092<br>
Digest: 105<br>
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I find it odd that the invalid and valid numbers are the same...
<div>I'm personally in favor of FB groups, as I've mentioned
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<p>Time for another review of how HT works for you each.<br>
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A long discussion always leads to people dropping off,
many of whom forget this defeats the purpose of having
more people to help, at the cost of a few uninteresting
emails. We tried FB and Linkedin a while back, while
little interest, given how time goes it could be 10 years.<br>
We also get few additional members so there are clearly
not much PR happening.</p>
<p>What you may not know, here is a summary of members.<br>
Invalid: 2429 (means email addresses that bounced)<br>
No mail: 501 (members who dropped off)<br>
Valid: 2429<br>
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<p>Personally I'm not in favor of FB although we do own <a href="https://www.facebook.com/Hidden-tech-271876579588753" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.facebook.com/Hidden-tech-271876579588753</a><br>
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<p>I have been looking for alternatives and found a quite a
number of options:<br>
This is one of the more interesting because it will run on
a standard apache/php server : <a href="https://friendi.ca/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://friendi.ca/<br>
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There are more here: <a href="http://www.hidden-tech.net/social-media-ideas/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.hidden-tech.net/social-media-ideas/</a><a href="https://friendi.ca/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><br>
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I am wondering how many would use any of these.<br>
Let start with the general idea and we can narrow to
options if there is interest.<br>
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