<div dir="ltr">Yes, Greg was taking about designers choosing to have links open in new windows or tabs. I'm sorry if my quote of his post left that ambiguous.<div><br></div><div>And yes, it's easy to open new windows/tabs while browsing. I do this constantly, especially when I want to refer to two pages at once (which happens a lot while I'm researching a writing piece, among many other scenarios) or dealign with a slow-loading site. My UX concern is that I've seen too many sites where hitting the back button didn't take you back to where you'd been, and too many situations where you really want to make sure the reader comes back to finish the page, and there is zero guarantee they'll do it on their own.</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"></div><div>Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"</div><div>________________________________________________</div><div>Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, </div><div>poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change</div><div>* First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified</div><div>* Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame</div><div>* Certified speaker: International Platform Association</div><div><a href="http://goingbeyondsustainability.com" target="_blank">http://goingbeyondsustainability.com</a> </div><div>mailto:<a href="mailto:shel@greenandprofitable.com" target="_blank">shel@greenandprofitable.com</a> 413-586-2388</div><div>Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. </div><div>Latest:Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World </div><div>(co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)</div><div><br></div><div>Watch my TEDx Talk,</div><div>"Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"</div><div><a href="http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809" target="_blank">http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809</a> </div><div>(move your mouse to "event videos")</div><div>_________________________________________________</div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 1:39 PM Robert Heller <<a href="mailto:heller@deepsoft.com">heller@deepsoft.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">At Thu, 28 May 2020 12:11:02 -0400 Greg Perham <<a href="mailto:greg@swinggraphics.com" target="_blank">greg@swinggraphics.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> <br>
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> That's fine Robert. You do you. But you have the choice to work that way.<br>
> Forcing links in new windows removes the choice for the user.<br>
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I guess the point Shel quoted was out of context -- I *thought* it meant that <br>
readers should not force open links in new windows/tabs, as opposed to website <br>
designers making "gratitious" use of target="_blank" in a tags.<br>
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> <br>
> <br>
> Greg Perham<br>
> Swing Graphics | Swing Hosting<br>
> PO Box 1436<br>
> Northampton, MA 01061<br>
> <a href="mailto:greg@swinggraphics.com" target="_blank">greg@swinggraphics.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:greg@swinggraphics.com" target="_blank">greg@swinggraphics.com</a>><br>
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> <br>
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> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> > On May 28, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Robert Heller via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> > At Wed, 27 May 2020 21:38:16 -0400 Shel Horowitz <<a href="mailto:shel@principledprofit.com" target="_blank">shel@principledprofit.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> "3. Avoid opening links in new windows as much as possible. It's pretty<br>
> >> common to do so for external links and PDFs, but should be avoided 100% of<br>
> >> the time for internal links. Trust people to use the back button."<br>
> >> <br>
> >> Hi, Greg. Curious about why.<br>
> > <br>
> > Yes, why? With dialup, I almost always open links in new windows. Yes, I know<br>
> > about the back button, but "going back" can be painfully slow with a dialup<br>
> > connection (between images, css, and js files loading any page is painfully<br>
> > slow, so I avoid reloading pages whenever I can avoid it). Also, I almost<br>
> > always right-click/"Save Link As" for PDFs (I *never* view PDFs in my browser,<br>
> > in fact I have disabled that -- I *always* download PDFs and view them with a <br>
> > local pdf viewer (xpdf).)<br>
> > <br>
> > Yes I follow links [internal or external] in the same window where there is a<br>
> > clear [single] thread, but when I come to a "multiple" path (eg a "fork in the<br>
> > road"), I will open in a new window. Oh, I never use tabs (I *hate* tabs and<br>
> > prefer to actually use my window manager -- I have it there for that reason).<br>
> > <br>
> >> <br>
> >> Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"<br>
> >> ________________________________________________<br>
> >> Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger,<br>
> >> poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change<br>
> >> * First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified<br>
> >> * Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame<br>
> >> * Certified speaker: International Platform Association<br>
> >> <a href="http://goingbeyondsustainability.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://goingbeyondsustainability.com</a><br>
> >> mailto:<a href="mailto:shel@greenandprofitable.com" target="_blank">shel@greenandprofitable.com</a> 413-586-2388<br>
> >> Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books.<br>
> >> Latest:Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World<br>
> >> (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)<br>
> >> <br>
> >> Watch my TEDx Talk,<br>
> >> "Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"<br>
> >> <a href="http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809</a><br>
> >> (move your mouse to "event videos")<br>
> >> _________________________________________________<br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 11:31 AM Greg Perham via Hidden-discuss <<br>
> >> <a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> <br>
> >>> Hi Roger,<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> +1 for WordPress.<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> You might want to consider MailChimp's free plan for managing your<br>
> >>> subscriber list. No need to bring JotForm or another third party into the<br>
> >>> mix.<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> Looks like you're hosting on Network Solutions. My experience with clients<br>
> >>> who were on Netsol has been that they were paying 2 to 4 times above the<br>
> >>> norm and the performance and control panel were so poor they moved house<br>
> >>> when they upgraded. If the pricing is good and you can easily install WP, I<br>
> >>> say stay; otherwise, definitely move on.<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> A few things to keep in mind when moving your site to WP (or any other<br>
> >>> platform):<br>
> >>> 1. Make sure redirects <<a href="https://wordpress.org/plugins/redirection/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wordpress.org/plugins/redirection/</a>> are<br>
> >>> set up for your .html pages to help search engines index the new pages and<br>
> >>> keep your rankings.<br>
> >>> 2. Do not just copy and paste your current code into WordPress. It needs<br>
> >>> to be cleaned up and modernized. You will want to make use of heading tags<br>
> >>> etc instead of spans with inline styles. This is for accessibility, SEO,<br>
> >>> maintainability, and portability. It's just how HTML is meant to be used.<br>
> >>> 3. Avoid opening links in new windows as much as possible. It's pretty<br>
> >>> common to do so for external links and PDFs, but should be avoided 100% of<br>
> >>> the time for internal links. Trust people to use the back button.<br>
> >>> 4. Use a simple SEO plugin <<a href="https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-seopress/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-seopress/</a>> to<br>
> >>> improve your page descriptions in search engine results.<br>
> >>> 5. As others mentioned: backups and updates. They're simple enough to do<br>
> >>> yourself, or cheap enough to get someone to manage them for you.<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> Setting it up and moving your content over can be done in a few hours. A<br>
> >>> number of people on HT have lots of experience with this and could help<br>
> >>> out, myself included! Feel free to contact me directly if you want<br>
> >>> assistance.<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> Greg<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> Greg Perham<br>
> >>> *Swing Graphics | Swing Hosting*<br>
> >>> PO Box 1436<br>
> >>> Northampton, MA 01061<br>
> >>> <a href="mailto:greg@swinggraphics.com" target="_blank">greg@swinggraphics.com</a><br>
> >>> 413 570-0881<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> LinkedIn <<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregperham" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregperham</a>> || Twitter<br>
> >>> <<a href="https://twitter.com/swinggraphics" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/swinggraphics</a>><br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> On May 26, 2020, at 4:50 PM, Roger Magnus via Hidden-discuss <<br>
> >>> <a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> Hi all,<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> I am long-time reader but first-time poster on this discussion list.<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> I am hoping to start a blog soon as I transition my business into a new<br>
> >>> area. I am trying to find a free or low-cost blogging platform that I can<br>
> >>> synch with my website domain, <a href="http://rogermagnusresearch.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rogermagnusresearch.com</a>. Does anyone have<br>
> >>> any suggestions? I realize my website is very simple and I hope to upgrade<br>
> >>> it eventually as I have more clients.<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> Also, I want to sign up clients to the blog and wonder about Jotform to<br>
> >>> capture a name and email address. One thing I like about it is it replies<br>
> >>> with a thank you message when someone signs up. Is that something you<br>
> >>> would recommend, something else, or is a link to my email sufficient?<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> Many thanks!<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> Best,<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> Roger<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> Roger Magnus<br>
> >>> Roger Magnus Research<br>
> >>> Amherst, MA 01002<br>
> >>> Phone/Text: 413-687-8466<br>
> >>> Web: <a href="http://www.rogermagnusresearch.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.rogermagnusresearch.com</a><br>
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