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    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hi Joanna,<br>
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      For cloning your website, what platform is it? WordPress is easy
      to copy with a plugin, HTML is easy to copy with a program that
      downloads the website to your computer and then you can FTP it up
      to the new server. Other platforms would require more research or
      someone with expertise in that platform - if it's a PHP based
      site, that's pretty much impossible without access to the server
      so you can grab the content but then you need to rebuild the
      pages. <br>
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      The one person I worked with didn't end up owning the domain
      themselves so they went the route of getting a new domain name.
      They had admin access to their WordPress site so w</font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
        sans-serif">e were able to grab the site</font> using a plugin
      called Duplicator. <br>
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      I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that it would help to get
      together with other victims as a class action suit, and also to
      demand help from ICANN which often doesn't get involved in these
      sort of issues, hopefully that's not true in this case. The
      benefits of a class action suit are that the costs are spread
      amongst a large group, and a large group has a lot more clout than
      an individual or small company.<br>
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      Best of luck!<br>
      Sam<br>
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    <div>--<br>
      Sam McClellan<br>
      Itabix, Inc<br>
      <i>One place for all things Web</i><br>
      <a href="mailto:sam@itabix.com" target="_blank">sam@itabix.com</a><br>
      <a href="http://itabix.com" target="_blank">http://itabix.com</a><br>
      Main - 413.587.4600<br>
      Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) <br>
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    <div>On 11/15/2019 5:15 PM, joanna campe
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">Thank you
            for the suggestions! I am immediately passing this on to my
            IT team to see what could be done.</div>
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          <div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">I have
              already registered a new domain name with Dreamhost this
              afternoon. I had already set up an account with them
              thinking I wouldn't have a problem migrating my website
              and then realizing what had happened and that I was not
              able to get the authorization code at that time. I am
              trying to move everything along because it seemed like I
              am going to have to clone the website. So I'm waiting </span><font size="4"><font face="garamond, times new roman, serif">for <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Dreamhost</span> to </font><font face="garamond, serif">get back to me and  then I will
                need to pursue getting my domain back.</font></font></div>
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          <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><font face="garamond, serif">I would be very happy to know
                about any other's experience with legally trying to
                wrest domain ownership back. I was thinking of going to
                Small Claims Court. Would I need to do a class action
                suit? We have a very modest budget, and this sounds
                 expensive and time-consuming. Nevertheless, I don't
                want to lose my domain.</font></font></div>
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          <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4" face="garamond,
              serif">I registered my domain with them because I wanted
              to support a local co-op in the community and that was
              decades ago. Because  they do not host me, I did not
              realize what was going on until recently.</font></div>
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          <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><font face="garamond, serif">My best,</font></font></div>
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          <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><font face="garamond, serif">Joanna</font></font></div>
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                                              Campe<br>
                                              Executive Director<br>
                                              Remineralize the Earth<br>
                                              152 South Street<br>
                                              Northampton, MA 01060 USA </font></div>
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                                                  Email: <a href="mailto:jcampe@remineralize.org" target="_blank">jcampe@remineralize.org</a><br>
                                                  <a href="http://www.remineralize.org" target="_blank">http://www.remineralize.org</a>
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                                                Sequestration, and
                                                Reversing CO2 Increase</font></div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 4:20
          PM Sam McClellan via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>>
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              <br>
              We tried to help with retrieving another Gaia victim's
              domain but theirs was not in their name so they had no
              recourse. As long as your domain isn't private, you can
              see the owner and admin email by entering the domain here:<br>
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              <br>
              If you are the domain owner, you should ultimately be able
              to get the domain back but it may take some time. Gaia is
              a top level registrar, right under ICANN, so you could try
              contacting them. <br>
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            <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/customer-support-2015-06-22-en" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/customer-support-2015-06-22-en</a><br>
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              It would probably be a good idea for someone to organize a
              class action suit, then you'd have more leverage with
              ICANN.<br>
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              This will probably take time so I do think you should
              register a new domain. We offer domain names for
              $12.95/year.<br>
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              As far as the website, if it's an HTML site or a WordPress
              site with admin access, we should be able to retrieve it
              without having access to the Gaia control panel, and we'd
              be happy to host you for free for the first three months.
              <br>
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              Best,<br>
              Sam<br>
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            <div>--<br>
              Sam McClellan<br>
              Itabix, Inc<br>
              <i>One place for all things Web</i><br>
              <a href="mailto:sam@itabix.com" target="_blank">sam@itabix.com</a><br>
              <a href="http://itabix.com" target="_blank">http://itabix.com</a><br>
              Main - 413.587.4600<br>
              Toll-free - 877-7ITABIX (877.748.2249) <br>
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            <div>On 11/15/2019 1:38 PM, joanna campe via Hidden-discuss
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">I
                  have just joined this list serve to see if I can get
                  more information on Gaia Host. We are not able to
                  change the plan of our website or migrate it without
                  an authorization code and we have not been able to get
                  the domains transferred either.</div>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">I
                  have been advised by my hosting service that in order
                  to be able to transfer the domain successfully, I need
                  to take them to court. Has anyone in the community
                  done that so far and with what success?</div>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">I
                  have been told that I have two choices: take Gaia Host
                  to court (small claims court?) or to create a new
                  domain and clone the website until the issue can be
                  resolved. Both of these are time consuming and
                  meanwhile I have put off my fundraising campaign until
                  the performance of the website can be improved by
                  migrating it to a new plan.</div>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">I
                  appreciate advice on this.</div>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">My
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                                                    Executive Director<br>
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                                                    152 South Street<br>
                                                    Northampton, MA
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