<div dir="ltr">Love this, Ira. I haven't used these spaces (and rarely even work at coffee shops unless I need air conditioning on a hot afternoon, and then I go at a very off-peak time) so haven't given much thought to how one could succeed. I think shared reception services and meeting space are part of the formula, though.<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-size:small"><br>Shel Horowitz - "The Transformpreneur"(sm)</div><div style="font-size:small">________________________________________________</div><div style="font-size:small">Watch (and please share) my TEDx Talk,</div><div style="font-size:small">"Impossible is a Dare: Business for a Better World"</div><div style="font-size:small"><font color="#1155cc" size="2"><u><a style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" href="http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809" target="_blank">http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809</a></u></font><font color="#1155cc" size="2"><u><a style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" href="http://www.ted.com/tedx/events/11809" target="_blank"> </a></u></font><br><div style="font-size:small">(move your mouse to "event videos")</div></div><div style="font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-size:small">Contact me to bake in profitability while addressing hunger, <br></div><div style="font-size:small">poverty, war, and catastrophic climate change</div><div style="font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-size:small">Twitter: @shelhorowitz</div><div style="font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-size:small">* First business ever to be Green America Gold Certified</div><div style="font-size:small">* Inducted into the National Environmental Hall of Fame</div><div style="font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-size:small"><a style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" href="http://goingbeyondsustainability.com/" target="_blank">http://goingbeyondsustainability.com</a> </div><div style="font-size:small">mailto:<a style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" href="mailto:shel@greenandprofitable.com" target="_blank">shel@greenandprofitable.com</a> * <a style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" href="tel:413-586-2388" value="+14135862388" target="_blank">413-586-2388</a></div><div style="font-size:small">Award-winning, best-selling author of 10 books. Latest:</div><div style="font-size:small">Guerrilla Marketing to Heal the World (co-authored with Jay Conrad Levinson)<br></div><div style="font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-size:small">_________________________________________________</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 5:09 AM Ira Bryck via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current template?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">For me (please suggest your own)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">STRENGTHS<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">A place that doesn’t distract like working at home<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">You belong there, not squatting at a coffee shop table that should be turning over more<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">People are working, not the mixed uses of a coffee shop (socializing, etc)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">WEAKNESSES<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Monthly subscription costs create pressure to use it more than is useful, or be wasting your money<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Loud talkers, lack of privacy, even in glass closet<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Need to find a booth, whenever you want to talk on the phone<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">All the negatives of a cubicle farm, without even those walls<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">POSSIBLE DESIGN SOLUTIONS<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">More flexible pricing<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Membership that allows for multiple locations (ie: like using multiple planets fitness)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Pay with volunteerism in the host site (ie: if it was connected with a school or hospital)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Cubicle walls are sound absorbing panels, that can easily be rejiggered to create flex spaces<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I think I know the location that Val is proposing, and agree this is an excellent location, and could be built to suit – there is now enough known about shared workspaces to
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<b>Reply-To: </b>Val Nelson <<a href="mailto:val@valnelson.com" target="_blank">val@valnelson.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 5:12 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Aaron E-J <<a href="mailto:the@otherrealm.org" target="_blank">the@otherrealm.org</a>><br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Hidden-tech] Have you considered starting a new coworking space?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Co-working spaces in the Valley go back at least to the mid-80s and the Creamery Building on Fearing Street in Amherst. The person I've dealt with at Click is named Mary. I don't now her last name. She's always there for the arts events,
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<p>It make me think of several people and organizations in the Pioneer Valley that I'd like to mention in case you want to connect with them on this idea.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>For coops, there's Coop Power, Cooperative Fund of New England and Wellspring Cooperatives.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>For holocracy, there's Ingrid Bredenberg although she may have moved out of the area.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>If you think sociocracy is related enough, there's <a href="http://sociocracyforall.org/about/" target="_blank">
http://sociocracyforall.org/about/</a> and folks based in Amherst.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>And I believe Paul Silva ran Click Work Space in Northampton, maybe he started it?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>And I know the folks at Amherst Works co-working space.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>All that to say that there are good resources in the Valley.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, I am, although I am looking for a space that is conducive to setting up a small shop and electronics fabrication space, maybe eventually a wet lab – would this space be a good
fit for this? Do you have the exact address and know how much the lease is? Is anyone else interested in such a thing? A while ago I made some move to get a makerspace set up in the East/Northampton/Holyoke area and I'm interested in seeing if anyone else
is still interested again. As I put forward a week or two ago on this listserv, I am interested in changing the way employment is done, or at least creating another way to go about it (link to the idea, also below:
<a href="https://otherrealm.org/Economy" target="_blank">https://otherrealm.org/Economy</a> ). I would like to get a group of people who are equally disenfranchised with the competitive nature of employment and business dealings and are interested in working
together on creating such a worker cooperative model. Please let me know if you are interested, I will be setting up some meeting events to try to gather support so stay tuned.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p> A discussion that was going on a local tech entrepreneur listserve about the need to work for less than a fair wage when doing contract work got me thinking of an idea I had a while back. The idea is a kind of 'jobs fair' that would be open to
anyone, and anyone who attended would be either guaranteed a job or funding for a startup. The amount of time that people spend competing for: first a college degree, then a job, then maybe funding for a business idea, is enormous. It can often result in
needing to compromise your moral principles and spend most of your time doing things in areas you are not passionate about. Constantly needing to be judged and being told that you are not as good as someone else who got the job you wanted, puts a tremendous
toll on your wellbeing and desire to interact with others. On the other side, someone looking to hire the right person has to spend a considerable amount of time wading through tons of applicants before eventually arriving at someone you actually want to
hire. And if you have an ounce of empathy, constantly needing to turn people down because they are not the right fit feels horrible.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p> The way I conceived of the 'job fair' working would be in two stages.
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<p> The first stage would be a sign up and stakeholder gathering phase. Job seekers would fill out an online form detailing their skills and interests and any ideas for solutions to unsolved problems they had. Employers (worker coops and businesses
that agree to not throw their employees under the proverbial bus if the job does not work out) would sign up and agree to employ people to work
<i>with</i> them and not <i>for</i> them. Business investors and venture capitalists would sign up and work on forming business ideas with people who do not see an existing role with any of the existing business that are hiring.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p> Then the second stage would be the actual conference where everyone gets to know each other and job seekers and job fillers seek mutual skills and interests. The people who do not have career goals and skills in line with those being sought, and
those with business ideas they are looking to actualize, would work with the business investors and venture capitalists. Together, they would form new worker cooperative businesses around the solutions previously identified in the first stage that everyone
on the table can get behind. These cooperatives would act as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holon_(philosophy)" target="_blank">
holons</a>, each independent entities, but with the ability to utilize each other's resources to some extent. There would also be a buffer fund established that all the cooperatives earning a positive income would contribute to and those needing more income
could draw from. The way the investors would get compensated is that they would be seen as one of the cooperatives. If the investors want to withdraw some of their investment, their financial balance would be negative and therefore a proportion of the buffer
fund will go to them. This siphoning of money to an investor will only continue until a previously agreed upon return on investment is achieved or the person invests more money back into the system. Because the contribution will only be a portion of the
<i>profit</i>, if some or all cooperatives are not earning a profit, they will not need to contribute to the buffer. Obviously exact details will need to be worked out when more people get involved, but that is the general way I am envisioning the financing
working. It may also make sense to involve colleges and others in the education sphere. They could be seen as business investors. Although they may not be providing financial support, they can still provide significant resources and as a result have a share
of the profit. However, the exact nature of their compensation would need to be figured out because education is rarely easily quantifiable.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p> The important point in all this is that people are not competing – there would be the explicit edict that no one is left out and no one is forced to do things they have no desire to do (of course it may be necessary for some people to do undesired
tasks, but these tasks should be for the purpose of fulfilling desired goals).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p> What do people think of this idea and is anyone interested in working on it with me? I would not be surprised if we could get some grant funding to get the ball rolling.<u></u><u></u></p>
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