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      theory side of things (coop structure, sociocracy, ex.) I am all
      set, it is more just a matter of finding people who are interested
      in committing a bit of time and resources along with me to get
      things set up.  That's the first step, after that, then we can
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Aaron E-J
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-10-22 6:36 PM, Andrew Bellak
      wrote:<br>
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      <p>This is an interesting thread.</p>
      <p>It make me think of several people and organizations in the
        Pioneer Valley that I'd like to mention in case you want to
        connect with them on this idea.</p>
      <p>For coops, there's Coop Power, Cooperative Fund of New England
        and Wellspring Cooperatives.<br>
      </p>
      <p>For holocracy, there's Ingrid Bredenberg although she may have
        moved out of the area.</p>
      <p>If you think sociocracy is related enough, there's <a
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          href="http://sociocracyforall.org/about/"
          moz-do-not-send="true">http://sociocracyforall.org/about/</a>
        and folks based in Amherst.<br>
      </p>
      <p>And I believe Paul Silva ran Click Work Space in Northampton,
        maybe he started it?</p>
      <p>And I know the folks at Amherst Works co-working space.</p>
      <p>All that to say that there are good resources in the Valley.</p>
      <p>Regards,</p>
      <p>Andrew</p>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/21/2019 8:23 PM, Aaron E-J via
        Hidden-discuss wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Yes, I am, although I am looking for
            a space that is conducive to setting up a small shop and
            electronics fabrication space, maybe eventually a wet lab –
            would this space be a good fit for this?<span>  </span>Do
            you have the exact address and know how much the lease is?<span> 
            </span>Is anyone else interested in such a thing?<span>  </span>A
            while ago I made some move to get a makerspace set up in the
            East/Northampton/Holyoke area and I'm interested in seeing
            if anyone else is still interested again.<span>  </span>As
            I put forward a week or two ago on this listserv, I am
            interested in changing the way employment is done, or at
            least creating another way to go about it (link to the idea,
            also below: <a href="https://otherrealm.org/Economy"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://otherrealm.org/Economy</a>
            ).<span>  </span>I would like to get a group of people who
            are equally disenfranchised with the competitive nature of
            employment and business dealings and are interested in
            working together on creating such a worker cooperative
            model.<span>  </span>Please let me know if you are
            interested, I will be setting up some meeting events to try
            to gather support so stay tuned.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks!</span><br>
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          <p><span><span><span>          A discussion that was going on
                  a local tech entrepreneur listserve about the need to
                  work for less than a fair wage when doing contract
                  work got me thinking of an idea I had a while back.
                   The idea is a kind of 'jobs fair' that would be open
                  to anyone, and anyone who attended would be either
                  guaranteed a job or funding for a startup.  The amount
                  of time that people spend competing for: first a
                  college degree, then a job, then maybe funding for a
                  business idea, is enormous.  It can often result in
                  needing to compromise your moral principles and spend
                  most of your time doing things in areas you are not
                  passionate about.  Constantly needing to be judged and
                  being told that you are not as good as someone else
                  who got the job you wanted, puts a tremendous toll on
                  your wellbeing and desire to interact with others.  On
                  the other side, someone looking to hire the right
                  person has to spend a considerable amount of time
                  wading through tons of applicants before eventually
                  arriving at someone you actually want to hire.  And if
                  you have an ounce of empathy, constantly needing to
                  turn people down because they are not the right fit
                  feels horrible.</span></span></span></p>
          <p><span><span><span>          The way I conceived of the 'job
                  fair' working would be in two stages.  </span></span></span></p>
          <p><span><span><span>          The first stage would be a sign
                  up and stakeholder gathering phase.  Job seekers would
                  fill out an online form detailing their skills and
                  interests and any ideas for solutions to unsolved
                  problems they had.  Employers (worker coops and
                  businesses that agree to not throw their employees
                  under the proverbial bus if the job does not work out)
                  would sign up and agree to employ people to work <i><span>with</span></i>
                  them and not <i><span>for</span></i> them.  Business
                  investors and venture capitalists would sign up and
                  work on forming business ideas with people who do not
                  see an existing role with any of the existing business
                  that are hiring.</span></span></span></p>
          <p><span><span><span>          Then the second stage would be
                  the actual conference where everyone gets to know each
                  other and job seekers and job fillers seek mutual
                  skills and interests.  The people who do not have
                  career goals and skills in line with those being
                  sought, and those with business ideas they are looking
                  to actualize, would work with the business investors
                  and venture capitalists.  Together, they would form
                  new worker cooperative businesses around the solutions
                  previously identified in the first stage that everyone
                  on the table can get behind.  These cooperatives would
                  act as <a
                    href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holon_(philosophy)"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">holons</a>, each independent
                  entities, but with the ability to utilize each other's
                  resources to some extent.  There would also be a
                  buffer fund established that all the cooperatives
                  earning a positive income would contribute to and
                  those needing more income could draw from.  The way
                  the investors would get compensated is that they would
                  be seen as one of the cooperatives.  If the investors
                  want to withdraw some of their investment, their
                  financial balance would be negative and therefore a
                  proportion of the buffer fund will go to them.  This
                  siphoning of money to an investor will only continue
                  until a previously agreed upon return on investment is
                  achieved or the person invests more money back into
                  the system.  Because the contribution will only be a
                  portion of the <i><span>profit</span></i>, if some or
                  all cooperatives are not earning a profit, they will
                  not need to contribute to the buffer.  Obviously exact
                  details will need to be worked out when more people
                  get involved, but that is the general way I am
                  envisioning the financing working.  It may also make
                  sense to involve colleges and others in the education
                  sphere.  They could be seen as business investors.
                   Although they may not be providing financial support,
                  they can still provide significant resources and as a
                  result have a share of the profit.  However, the exact
                  nature of their compensation would need to be figured
                  out because education is rarely easily quantifiable.</span></span></span></p>
          <p><span><span><span>          The important point in all this
                  is that people are not competing – there would be the
                  explicit edict that no one is left out and no one is
                  forced to do things they have no desire to do (of
                  course it may be necessary for some people to do
                  undesired tasks, but these tasks should be for the
                  purpose of fulfilling desired goals).</span></span></span></p>
          <p><span><span><span>          What do people think of this
                  idea and is anyone interested in working on it with
                  me?  I would not be surprised if we could get some
                  grant funding to get the ball rolling.</span></span></span></p>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-10-21 5:13 PM, Val Nelson
          via Hidden-discuss wrote:<br>
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            <div>Have you considered forming a coworking space? I know
              of an amazing space that just opened up that just looks
              like it's waiting for a coworking space to step in. It's
              in Northampton, in a beautiful setting. With off-street
              parking. Close to town but tucked away.</div>
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            <div>I'm not looking to do this but it occurs to me that
              maybe one of you might be. </div>
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            <div>Let me know if you want more info.</div>
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