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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 9, 2019, at 3:22 PM, Matt Wolaver via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" class="">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class="">I’m saddened to hear that one local designer (that I know) entered their design and shared with me response from they received from the company that put out the request. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;" class=""><div class=""><i class="">Hi,</i></div><div class=""><i class="">Thank you again for your design submission. Unfortunately yours was the only submission for the contest and I had hoped to see a variety of designs. I have decided to run the contest on <a href="http://crowdspring.com/" target="_blank" class="">crowdspring.com</a> to get more submissions. I encourage you to submit your designs there -- you should be able to search for the project under Connection Cards.</i></div><div class=""><i class="">Thanks!</i></div></div><div dir="ltr" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;" class=""><i class="">Jessica</i></div><div dir="ltr" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;" class=""><i class=""><br class=""></i></div><div dir="ltr" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;" class=""><i class=""><br class=""></i></div><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">On Sep 28, 2019, at 3:09 PM, Tess Gadwa via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" class="">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">But of course, that gets built into your pricing. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That is more the advertising agency model of doing things. In my view, it's inefficient.</div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 8:13 AM Harry Flood via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" class="">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">Being in the finance field I have worked in several companies where clients or potential clients were totally happy to have you do development work for their benefit, after which they'd decide to buy it. Or not. It's a slippery slope.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Harry</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Harry J Flood</div><div class="">CFO, Mediaspectrum, Inc.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 12:12 PM B. Kimo Lee via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank" class="">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="">Greetings HT,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Interesting discussion going on. Also following the parallel thread about <i class="">The Other Job Fair</i>.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think there is a place for this type of Graphic Design Contest — design students looking to build a portfolio, or people just starting out with the same goal. I submitted quite a few pieces back when I was in school during the late 70’s and actually “won" several. Good to have printed samples.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Of course most times, you get what you pay for — but occasionally you get a gem.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">At agencies I’ve worked at, we often would develop creative concepts for campaigns which were technically “on spec” but these were for new business pitches for national clients. If we won the account, it would pay off in a big way. We had a budget allocated for this type of spec work.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Happy Fall,</div><div class="">Kimo</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div class=""><div class="">On Sep 26, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Denise Batalha via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank" class="">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Aaron,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is a GREAT template to go by!!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Denise</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 3:56 PM Aaron Taylor-Waldman <<a href="mailto:aaron@taylorwaldman.com" target="_blank" class="">aaron@taylorwaldman.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">The AIGA (American Institute of Graphic Arts) has made their stance clear <a href="https://www.aiga.org/position-spec-work" target="_blank" class="">https://www.aiga.org/position-spec-work</a></div><div class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When it comes to work-for-hire, I offer these options for creative services:</div><div class=""><ul class=""><li class="">Paid work</li><li class="">Pro bono (or volunteering) — for cause work only, and no more than 20% of my annual work hours.</li><li class="">Personal projects (The only person who gets 'free' work is me)</li></ul><div class="">Equity may be an option for some, sure—but 90% of the time you should take the money. Unless you're a cofounder of a company, and/or the equity offer is from a startup with a valuation and funding (not bootstrapping). <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 2:34 PM Denise Batalha via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank" class="">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">Kris,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I've always likened the idea of these skills being too easy to be paid their worth as being seen as simple as coloring. What I don't get is if they clearly see these skills as so simplified it requires little to no pay, why don't they just do it themselves? I am, by no means, implying that is the case here. Good/great designers cost money, and I completely understand the overwhelming weight of the costs any organization, or individual lacking the funds, can be.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Denise</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 2:05 PM kris badertscher via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank" class="">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="">As a media and communications/graphic designer, I found this <i class="">contest</i> to be incredibly disrespectful to the ever-expanding community of pioneer valley creatives who so often have to go against their better judgement and take work either pro bono (hoping that it leads to paid a gig), for barter, or for slave-wage labor just in order to pay a bill.</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="">This cultivated western Massachusetts mentality of bargaining for free or underpaid labor predominates in this region where creative workers are consistently being taken advantage of because so few opportunities present themselves. </div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="">Whether it's photography, video, graphic design, or another skilled creative endeavor, other professionals in the Valley seem to think that these skills require nothing more than just a press of a button. Or maybe they do know and understand that having a subscription to Adobe or Microsoft products or other applications, plus equipment and training in order to make their designs for clients are outrageously expensive and they don't care. Because right, there's always the bounty of students to hire willing to put up with unpaid labor early in their careers. </div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="">This mindset hurts all of us. We all then have to accept underpaid labor as an exploited community in order to survive, never mind <i class="">thrive</i>. What results is that no one outside the creative community gets a sense of what a project <u class="">actually</u> costs which repeats this unethical cycle. </div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="">Living in the age of wanting something for (nearly) nothing is doing everyone a disservice and my recommendation is to first research the market and know how much a particular job costs. And please consider the cost- not just of what you are offering in exchange for labor or products, but the cost to all of us who live with the consequences of that mindset. </div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="">Cheers, Kris</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=""><a href="http://sustainabilitydesigner.com/" target="_blank" class="">sustainabilitydesigner.com</a></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 12:36 PM Rich@OTN via Hidden-discuss <<a href="mailto:hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net" target="_blank" class="">hidden-discuss@lists.hidden-tech.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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helps participants get to know new people, build social
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for the winning design.</span> You may email <a href="mailto:jessica@growingwellness.life" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class="">jessica@growingwellness.life</a> for
entry guidelines. Please pass along to anyone who may be
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